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welcome to the skinwalker debrief I'm

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your host TJ Allard and I'm one of the

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executive producers of the new hit TV

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series on history called the secret of

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skinwalker ranch

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I'm joined each week by Jason McClellan

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and Maureen Elsberry and together we'll

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dissect each episode to give you more

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insight into the show jason has been

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exploring all the strange for more than

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a decade he's appeared on that geo

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sci-fi history and he's the author of

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only weirdo see UFOs introduction to the

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public's misperception of unidentified

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aerial phenomenon and extraterrestrial

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life Maureen is a journalist researcher

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and podcaster specializing in the

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anomalous she started the docu-series

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uncovering aliens on Animal Planet and

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had served as the ambassador for science

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channels are we alone initiative and

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tonight our special guest is none other

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than the superintendent of skinwalker

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Thomas Winterton Thomas thank you for

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joining us thank you for inviting me I'm

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happy to be here this is awesome and so

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should we call you Thomas or Tom what do

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you prefer I tell people if I get Thomas

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Tommy or Tom I feel pretty good about

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myself it's the four-letter ones that I

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try to avoid so anything that you're

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comfortable with awesome that is great

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so the I think just give you the rundown

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the show I mean you you kind of listened

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and checked it out the what we'll do

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just so people who are listening and

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watching follow along we'll go through

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each of the blocks of the television

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show and so what blocks are in the TV

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world so it's the space between the

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commercials so the actual content the

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show and there's an a block through F

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block and the secret skinwalker ranch so

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we'll just hit a point or two of each

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block talk with Thomas about them

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we'll talk amongst ourselves and we'll

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get to some questions from you guys

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because this week we have a lot of them

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so first off what we normally do as well

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recap the last episode and now that we

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have you here Thomas to speak about some

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of the stuff it would be it'll be great

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to kind of hear some elaboration on what

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what happened in the previous episode

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which was looking down and I am I think

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one of the first things was

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where is a transmitter that was the

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number one thing so what what happened

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that last episode looking down

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why don't you kind of tell us what you

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remember from from that episode well you

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know that whole experiment with the

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weather balloon was I love watching

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these scientists because it seems like

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every experiment we do they just become

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more and more baffled for every answer

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we get we have ten more questions and

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with this weather balloon we have we had

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more than one transmitter on it two

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different types and you'll have to

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forgive me I don't know you know all the

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details about the two but the durable

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one the one that matt has used

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repeatedly he said it never fails him it

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quit transponding right there that magic

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little mark that we had estimated

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through our triangulation when they got

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to that point it just stopped

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transmitting now the other one we did

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get another beep or two off of it but we

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mean we searched and searched and

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searched and we never found that balloon

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you know the scientists when you as you

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go up these signals they the way that

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Travis was explaining it to us and I

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love that's one of the things I love

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about this show is you know my

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background business and then obviously I

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grew up in the ranching community I'm

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familiar with those things but this

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science part it's been a blast learning

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from Travis and Eric and dr. Sagawa and

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having them explained to us why these

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things are significant sometimes we see

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things happening on you know as things

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are happening they're baffled and and

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the rest of us are like what what what's

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the significance of this and so you know

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when it cut to these signals that we're

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seeing the reason that they're saying

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they're off Earth is that the

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measurements are indicating they're

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getting stronger as they go up and a lot

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of the signals that we we are seeing

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they hug the ground and they don't they

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get weaker as you go up and so all of

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the tests that we've done so far seem to

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indicate that the higher we go that the

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stronger these signals become which is

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the opposite of what they would expect

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this year unless you're obviously you

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know going up towards the cell tower but

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the other baffling thing is is that

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we're not in the middle of the city the

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levels that we're seeing we're in the

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middle of nowhere where we can't even

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really pick up a cell phone signal and

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so to measure the type of signals that

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we're getting is baffling to them as

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well because it's so no more

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so Jason marine so what they were

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experiencing as the signals were going

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you know they were getting higher have

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you guys had any other encounters or or

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cases that you remember that there's

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been measurements or anything like that

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from your years of experience that would

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require so much deep diving into my

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memory yeah too much I don't know if

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there was something that is common

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uncommon you know you just one of those

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like could it be yeah it's from my

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perspective it's pretty uncommon and

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certainly a reason for that is because

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this type of testing doesn't really

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occur that often so you know the ranch

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is positioned pretty uniquely to be able

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to to have scientists on-site to do

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these types of experiments it's not

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something that you see in a lot of

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paranormal research so it's really cool

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to see awesome and then so let's go

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right into the current episode high

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strangeness and you know first off we

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come right into it and you guys are

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already digging under the house and you

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get a little background into that that

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house and the creeks and the knocking

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and then you find bones and bone

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fragments ashes in a room so tell us

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what's going through everyone's mind

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there I mean like what were the reports

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coming from that house and did you find

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anything you get any evidence or any

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information about what you found yeah so

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what drew our attention there in the

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first place is not only did Tom and

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Candice who'd been there living there

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just a couple months at the time that we

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did this but the the previous caretakers

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that were in there and the Sherman's all

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reported hearing strange sounds and you

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know I've seen some of the comments like

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oh you know water heaters pop right you

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know furnaces well I want to be crystal

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clear that when we say the we're hearing

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strange sounds on the show strange for

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sounds that we have not been able to

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identify their origin right we've

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already ruled out the furnace we've

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ruled out the water heater we've we've

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gone through the checklist of things

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that it could be very first and then

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after we've checked all those those

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boxes and we still can't identify what

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and so we're hearing these strange

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sounds some strange vibrations that are

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coming over the last couple of years

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vibrations that we've picked up on the

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infrasonic and and then also with the

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audio and our first thought there was

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you and a basin is got a lot of oil a

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lot of energy extraction here so the

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first thought line of thought is is that

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we must be picking up the vibrations

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from drilling you know there we do a lot

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of horizontal drilling here so they'll

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go out for a mile two miles laterally

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and so we thought that that's what we

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are picking up the problem is is that as

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we start going deeper into this we're

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able to rule out that drilling is the

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origin of this as we start you know

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lining it up with the drilling schedules

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and and what's going on with around us

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and so we have these strange sounds

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and as we go down there investigate I

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was I was drawn to the cement wall here

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and what's interesting is that the floor

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joist I'm a general contractor so

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anytime you have a cement wall usually

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it's a load-bearing wall and you've got

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the joist resting on top of it as a

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bearing point and when I notice about

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this is that the floor choices are about

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you know six eight inches above the

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cement they don't make contact so then

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I'm thinking it's a retaining wall but

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the choices go so did this room really

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does sit almost in the middle of the

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house and so it's got house all the way

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around it on the front the back and the

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two sides so I was looking up above

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between the Joyce's and the cement I'm

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thinking that's really peculiar that

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there would be a cement like there's

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obviously some type of room right here

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because you can see across the top of it

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that there that it's cement ceiling

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and so then the thought from the

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scientists comes well it's possible that

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if this is a fully encased cement room

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it could act like a resonance chamber

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which you have you know sounds traveling

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long distances through the ground can be

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amplified in this room and maybe that's

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the source of the sound that the

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residents are hearing and so I went

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ahead and took a drill and punched a

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little hole so that we could see just

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exactly what we were dealing with and

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you you know it was fun that the viewers

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actually got to see us that was the

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first time that we had been able to put

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a camera or anything in there so they

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were witnessing with us as the first

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time that we really were getting to see

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what was inside and we have this this

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concrete room and then obviously you see

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that pile of debris now the interesting

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thing about this debris is is the the

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hole was not there long enough for that

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debris to be something that fallen in

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from the outside it was far enough into

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the tank it wasn't directly below the

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hole I I mean I really had to stretch my

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arm in there far to get the camera right

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above it and and then the rest of the

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tank was basically spotless I mean I I

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don't even recall seeing any spider webs

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or anything I mean this thing was pretty

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silt off and then there's this this

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little pile of debris so that was odd

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you know I've heard people commenting or

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read comments like oh it could be a

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cistern well it could be the problem

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with that so there's a cistern over by

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Homestead - Thomas - cistern is so

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people understand that people won't know

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a cistern is yeah so it's just a it's

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basically a water tank the lemon terms

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and so it's possible that was a cistern

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but if that's the case I don't know how

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they plan on getting water in or out

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there's not a there's not like a pipe at

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the bottom to draw water out of and you

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there's just no access to this thing so

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it's baffling and these bones and this

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debris that we saw you could say well

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maybe a mouse got in there and

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but what you'd find then would be an

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intact skeleton right like yeah it does

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we're pretty mashed up and look like

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they'd been crushed up actually so how

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that how something could just crawl in

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there and die and and us find it the way

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that it was it just didn't make any

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sense yeah there was an animal skeleton

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where everything would have decomposed

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and you would just have a skeleton and

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just to let people know and then don't

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get chasing more thoughts on this the

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when Thomas was saying they know every

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sound or they've identified the sound so

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Eric when I was out there Eric had

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showed me a number of times he basically

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has a signature an audio signature of

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every sound that could possibly be

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happening from the vibrations of the

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poles he knows what that audio wave

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looks like when a cars driving on you

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know one of the four by fours whatever

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are driving on the ranch he knows with

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that how do waves look like so it's

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almost like he has a book like oh yeah

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that is a oh that's you know you know

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Tom's car so he knows everything that's

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going on there so that's what he's

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saying that if they don't know what it

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is then that's where they explore but

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you guys what do you think about about

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this

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give me some thoughts what your thoughts

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on need the tank The Roommate

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I shared a little bit last week about

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how it seemed like possibly that was

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something that was more normally

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occurring back in the the time the house

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was built and I'm not saying that from

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direct you know knowledge in terms of

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contractor side of things and honestly

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like the the pile now the more I think

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about it the more I thought well it

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reminds me of and I don't know how this

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would get in here at this sentence gonna

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sound crazy but it reminded me of like a

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disintegrated owl pellet that would have

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a ton of bones in it but I don't know

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where the pipe leads you away what is it

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I decide what I don't know what an owl

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pellet is what is that it's basically

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the digestion of an owl little have a

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ton of little tiny bones in it another

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hair and fur that you know we used to

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have to dissect them in high school and

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when they fall apart

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it looks kind of like that the mess that

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was found in there but again what would

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an owl pellet in a concrete box so I

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have no idea

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what it is but I was intrigued and I

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will say I saw today a lot of people

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were commenting about the what looked

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like a coin in there and I'm assuming

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that that that was put in there by you

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Thomas or Travis or for some reason so I

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probably I would yeah I would I would

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for our audience yeah so when when we

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first put the camera in there it was

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impossible when we found that pile it

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was impossible we could tell they were

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bones but that camera was so interesting

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that it was it was hard to get a

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perspective on what size we were looking

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at so I actually reached in there and

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dropped a quarter so that it could give

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us reference as to what she's seeing so

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it was we I did drop it in there and it

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was just purely there so that we could

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get an idea of what size we were looking

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at right yeah so I think I think it's

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mysterious and interesting and and why

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it's there and whether it was just

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somebody doing a really bad job of

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sealing up a cistern and forgetting to

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put the actual functioning way to get

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the water out or it's something much

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more mysterious is is very curious and

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Jason what about you well I think what

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if it was a mouse I mean obviously it

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spontaneously combusted I mean that

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explains it yeah I mean it's it's so

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bizarre you talking about the old

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construction and and you know old houses

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it's not uncommon to have these weird

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random rooms that through different

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construction phases over over the years

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you know rooms get closed off but this

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one is just so so weird so I like it

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because I mean it keeps you going

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throughout the well last episode on this

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episode I mean it's it's very mysterious

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so I liked it I don't know how to

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explain it but something I did like in

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that part of the story was this week we

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got to meet the residents they're a

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little more right TJ you teased that

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last week that we hadn't really been

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introduced to them yet but this week we

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got to got to know more about them so

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that was cool get their backstory and

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and Thomas I did see some comments

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people were saying that it could have

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been a fallout shelter

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is that do you know anything about that

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like is can you rule that out well the

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only thing that I would rule that out

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with is again the the only hole into

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this place was like an inch and a half

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diameter pipe so that there was no

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access even getting inside like there

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just was no way to access this so which

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is surfing in the fact that if you look

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at the construction of it the formed

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construction it's worded like I know

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from experience you got to pull those

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out

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right right right okay I'm sure we're

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gonna get we're gonna circle back to

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that in the in the series I mean that

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we're not just gonna leave that hanging

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out there eventually we'll get we'll

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come back to that that topic just so

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let's keep moving on solo one more I

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heard I saw several people comment like

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why didn't you guys call the police that

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they were not human bones and so

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therefore we could rule that out there

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you go so there I love that you've been

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able to squash about 74 conspiracy

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theories in 30 seconds thank you for

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clearing a lot of that up so move it on

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let's go to the the B block of the show

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and this is the bait pens and bringing

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the cattle and so then we get a little

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bit of the backstory they don't bring in

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these cattle and so why and without that

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I'm liking this is as we're going

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through this you know there's a lot of

430
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questions that we're not just gonna

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we're not gonna be able to get to

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because we've gotten so many from the

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audience and thank you guys for sending

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all this stuff in and please just you

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know if you're listening keep on sending

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stuff we're gonna have more Q&A with the

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cast and we're gonna keep this going but

438
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there's a bringing these cattle in like

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so why aren't there cattle on the ranch

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normally is it a cattle ranch is it not

441
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a cattle ranch can you explain why the

442
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art cattle or are there cattle I mean I

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know but I want Thomas to kind of get

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get into it a little bit more

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specifically okay you know I can't speak

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to what was done before we came on I can

447
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tell you that neither Brandon nor myself

448
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are interested in owning any cows

449
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around and I personally hate cows world

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but that being said they do serve a

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useful purpose and we found there's a

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couple of different reasons behind our

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logic first of all you have to feed them

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and by the time you put 40 head of cows

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on that ranch all summer

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they've grubbed it down pretty good and

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you don't want to over graze it because

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then you're hurting the land and we

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don't want to have to buy feed and feed

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them through the winter so it's easier

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for us to find a local rancher that that

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can come in and lease that bring his

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cows on we don't have to be responsible

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for for owning them and take you know

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vaccinating and branding them and all

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the things that go with cows but we get

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the benefit of making sure that ranch is

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cared for both from an environmental

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aspect you know we live in a very dry

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climate and so you get grass that's

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three feet tall that's dry and it just

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takes one spark and though you the whole

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place just goes up and so the cows help

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us keep it from becoming a fire hazard

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so we bring them on in the spring when

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the grass is sufficient to to be able to

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support the herd and then we take them

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off in the fall when they've grazed it

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down and then the other reason obviously

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we got science in there there's

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obviously lots of stories of mutilations

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that have taken place on the ranch and

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so we we want to have cows out there

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it's part of the narrative you know and

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and as much as PETA does not want me to

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say that we're looking for animals to be

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harmed for us to get into the bottom of

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this it would be nice to catch something

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in the act where we could be able to

490
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look at it scientifically and figure out

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what's going on which may or may not be

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happening later on in the season so so

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there's that and then obviously animals

494
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seem to have a sixth sense and you know

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the classic example is this latest

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episode when the rockets are firing off

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what are the animals doing not only

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during that but before and so we watch

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them very closely do they do they stick

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to one part of the ranch more than they

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go to another part when we start picking

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up RF signals say over at home

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to where the cows did they even our

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before are they still there

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so we like to watch the cattle very

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closely and monitor to see if somehow

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their biosensors are picking up

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something that can either validate what

509
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we're picking up on the science or if

510
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there's you know no you know if they

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line up and the other bringing other

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people's cattle on to is we keep talking

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about how the ranch behaves when we

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bring somebody new on our and I know

515
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that sounds crazy but scientifically I

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mean we can show that there seems to be

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a trend that when somebody new or

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something new comes on the ranch we see

519
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a spike in anomalous events that take

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place so in in every aspect that seems

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like a behavior that you know that's

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what I call it so by bringing new cattle

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not keeping the same cattle on the ranch

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all the time it also gives us the

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opportunity to we bring on different

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Hertz every summer with the hopes that

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we can keep things mixed up a little bit

528
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that's open question about the cows how

529
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long what was the time span here from

530
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the time the cows were brought on to the

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ranch to win you started observing them

532
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doing this odd behavior of huddling

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together and running to the the corners

534
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together that is an excellent question I

535
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you know I don't know if I can actually

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answer that about getting in trouble

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with TJ guide me here yeah yeah let's

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there enough you know there's there's

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some answers that are going to be

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revealed so that will kind of get those

541
00:22:18,029 --> 00:22:17,140
answers will come in time and Maureen I

542
00:22:19,529 --> 00:22:18,039
know you know we've talked about the

543
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:19,539
literature before and the stories before

544
00:22:24,029 --> 00:22:21,970
yeah does do from what you've seen on

545
00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:24,039
the show does that kind of correspond

546
00:22:30,510 --> 00:22:26,940
with what you know of of the kettle's

547
00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:30,520
behavior on the ranch um you know I

548
00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:32,110
don't I don't know about the running

549
00:22:36,570 --> 00:22:34,030
around and I actually my question was

550
00:22:39,090 --> 00:22:36,580
the same as Jason's as well so I'll back

551
00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:39,100
away from that um no but I do have some

552
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:40,809
theories that I can't get to yet because

553
00:22:46,620 --> 00:22:45,010
we're not in the right block but yeah

554
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:46,630
you know it was it was a lot of weird

555
00:22:50,790 --> 00:22:49,090
behavior where the huddling you know

556
00:22:53,370 --> 00:22:50,800
even it was mentioned

557
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:53,380
the story I mentioned a few episodes ago

558
00:22:56,970 --> 00:22:54,610
and then it was mentioned in this one

559
00:22:59,700 --> 00:22:56,980
was and I think they were actually bowls

560
00:23:02,870 --> 00:22:59,710
prized bowls that were crammed a second

561
00:23:04,980 --> 00:23:02,880
later it worked this tiny little trailer

562
00:23:06,990 --> 00:23:04,990
that made no sense and they were looking

563
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:07,000
around for these these bowls everywhere

564
00:23:11,010 --> 00:23:09,010
like they were just here and to find

565
00:23:14,340 --> 00:23:11,020
them mashed up in the trailer was

566
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:14,350
completely like eviscerated because you

567
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:17,290
cram three large animals into a small

568
00:23:22,110 --> 00:23:19,930
trailer you're gonna see some damage but

569
00:23:24,750 --> 00:23:22,120
yeah I mean there there was obviously a

570
00:23:27,180 --> 00:23:24,760
lot of history of the cattle mutilation

571
00:23:30,210 --> 00:23:27,190
as well but I I don't specifically know

572
00:23:32,220 --> 00:23:30,220
about the herding behavior and the the

573
00:23:33,810 --> 00:23:32,230
prancing in the field which is kind of

574
00:23:36,210 --> 00:23:33,820
why I was wondering Jason's questions

575
00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:36,220
myself but you know what I just thought

576
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:37,990
the way that I can answer it without

577
00:23:43,530 --> 00:23:41,290
giving anything away so we had this

578
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:43,540
particular herd of cows on the ranch for

579
00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:45,970
the entire summer basically right clear

580
00:23:52,620 --> 00:23:49,480
we took them off I think right early

581
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:52,630
November so we have a really really good

582
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:54,970
baseline sample to compare that behavior

583
00:24:01,080 --> 00:23:58,000
that we saw on TV to both you know

584
00:24:03,150 --> 00:24:01,090
leading up to that and then also a huge

585
00:24:05,730 --> 00:24:03,160
sample afterwards and I will tell you

586
00:24:08,580 --> 00:24:05,740
that for the most part out of out of the

587
00:24:10,830 --> 00:24:08,590
three yeah the three herds that we've

588
00:24:12,750 --> 00:24:10,840
had on the ranch that was probably the

589
00:24:14,730 --> 00:24:12,760
calmest heard that we've had on there

590
00:24:15,660 --> 00:24:14,740
they were we didn't have any problems

591
00:24:20,490 --> 00:24:15,670
with them all summer

592
00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:20,500
they were very calm and so the behavior

593
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:23,710
that we witnessed on the episode was

594
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:26,890
very out of the ordinary for that reason

595
00:24:31,740 --> 00:24:29,890
now the the trailer that was there that

596
00:24:33,180 --> 00:24:31,750
we see on the show I know that we

597
00:24:34,830 --> 00:24:33,190
mentioned the the house and how there

598
00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:34,840
was locks on both sides of the doors and

599
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:38,230
that trailer is that the same one that

600
00:24:45,060 --> 00:24:40,330
was there do you know during the during

601
00:24:46,590 --> 00:24:45,070
the duct period I'm pretty sure it is in

602
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:46,600
fact that the Corral's have been built

603
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:49,360
around it and so it'd be really hard to

604
00:24:54,420 --> 00:24:52,330
bring it in after the fact so I'm I'm

605
00:24:56,430 --> 00:24:54,430
pretty positive that that would be the

606
00:25:00,540 --> 00:24:56,440
same structure that they had crammed

607
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:00,550
themselves into ya know in the next the

608
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:01,690
next block this is kind of where we're

609
00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:03,850
starting to get to be the

610
00:25:08,010 --> 00:25:06,100
science of things with the Rockets and

611
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:08,020
it might notice I'm like rockets what

612
00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:11,370
the f so we finally get some Rockets and

613
00:25:15,450 --> 00:25:13,750
you know Travis later you know the way

614
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:15,460
he kind of refers to it and you guys

615
00:25:19,860 --> 00:25:18,400
kind of see kind of create a new phrase

616
00:25:21,570 --> 00:25:19,870
and I wanted to start a hashtag online

617
00:25:23,789 --> 00:25:21,580
called digging up because I thought

618
00:25:26,340 --> 00:25:23,799
there was a really cool idea because you

619
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,350
start poking upward and previously it's

620
00:25:30,299 --> 00:25:28,480
like don't dig but no whatever clarify

621
00:25:31,860 --> 00:25:30,309
it if you met dig up or dig down and now

622
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:31,870
that you're digging up there's stuff

623
00:25:35,789 --> 00:25:34,330
happening once you tell us about the

624
00:25:38,399 --> 00:25:35,799
experiments that we're kind of going on

625
00:25:40,649 --> 00:25:38,409
at the time and I know one of the

626
00:25:42,180 --> 00:25:40,659
rockets didn't quite make it just like

627
00:25:42,810 --> 00:25:42,190
the balloon didn't quite make it and it

628
00:25:47,310 --> 00:25:42,820
was never found

629
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:47,320
right yeah so you could easily say that

630
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:49,450
every experiment that we have done that

631
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:53,650
starts to poke upwards we have had quite

632
00:26:00,450 --> 00:25:58,210
a number of different anomalies take

633
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:00,460
place while that was take you know like

634
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:02,770
with the OP the hot air balloon the hot

635
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,650
air balloon the weather balloon you know

636
00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:07,360
interesting thing about that was the one

637
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:11,140
that we let go and just let float away

638
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:13,840
when we release that we actually had a

639
00:26:20,669 --> 00:26:17,850
pretty good westerly breeze going and I

640
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,679
commented when we were doing it I hoped

641
00:26:24,810 --> 00:26:22,000
that the balloon could get to altitude

642
00:26:26,430 --> 00:26:24,820
before it reached Colorado because we're

643
00:26:29,159 --> 00:26:26,440
really wanting to get readings there on

644
00:26:32,130 --> 00:26:29,169
the ranch and with the BRIT the breeze

645
00:26:33,539 --> 00:26:32,140
was actually pretty brisk and so you

646
00:26:34,740 --> 00:26:33,549
know that there's a like a million

647
00:26:36,510 --> 00:26:34,750
things that happen on skinwalker ranch

648
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:36,520
that you look and you're like yeah

649
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:38,710
there's probably nothing to it but then

650
00:26:43,890 --> 00:26:41,679
on the other hand we released balloon

651
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:43,900
and rather than taking that westerly

652
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:46,809
breeze grabbing it and taking it off

653
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:49,450
property it almost floats to the north

654
00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:51,850
and it goes literally right through the

655
00:26:56,700 --> 00:26:53,710
center of where we had triangulated I

656
00:26:58,770 --> 00:26:56,710
mean it was it had to been within 100

657
00:27:00,899 --> 00:26:58,780
feet of the dead center where we were

658
00:27:01,950 --> 00:27:00,909
trying elating I you know his little

659
00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:01,960
things like that that are very

660
00:27:06,690 --> 00:27:05,230
fascinating to me as to why the why he

661
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:06,700
didn't take Kerry with the breeze and

662
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:08,289
just head to the west maybe it got up

663
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,210
and there's a North North breeze but

664
00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:11,679
almost like it was pulled that way

665
00:27:15,659 --> 00:27:13,750
almost like a yeah I was like it was

666
00:27:17,130 --> 00:27:15,669
funneled up there we're watching in it

667
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:17,140
and it just heads right up for

668
00:27:21,210 --> 00:27:19,570
that very point when on the ground and

669
00:27:22,830 --> 00:27:21,220
now I understand like the winds aloft

670
00:27:24,930 --> 00:27:22,840
could be doing different things than the

671
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,940
winds on the ground but you know the

672
00:27:28,170 --> 00:27:26,320
winds on the ground were definitely

673
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:28,180
going to the west and the balloon took

674
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:31,090
off and went to the north and so that

675
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:33,370
was interesting then you get the Rockets

676
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,730
and we fire off the first rocket and

677
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:39,120
obviously the chute doesn't open and

678
00:27:45,060 --> 00:27:41,650
it's kind of funny that was Jim sigalas

679
00:27:48,420 --> 00:27:45,070
personal spectrum analyzer and he was

680
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:48,430
kind of upset he's like maybe this is

681
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:52,720
personal one support but the others were

682
00:27:56,250 --> 00:27:54,610
successful and what they did is they

683
00:27:59,910 --> 00:27:56,260
allowed us to get up to a higher

684
00:28:01,500 --> 00:27:59,920
altitude and get a reading for you know

685
00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:01,510
a short period of time but we're able to

686
00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:05,460
launch several of them and repeat you

687
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:07,990
repeat the experiment and get the same

688
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:11,410
results which is important and and it

689
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:14,320
also reminds me that the interesting

690
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:16,930
thing about these type of experiments is

691
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:18,370
is that one thing we've been able to

692
00:28:24,510 --> 00:28:20,050
prove is that they're transient they're

693
00:28:25,770 --> 00:28:24,520
not there all the time so right that's

694
00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:25,780
notorious ranches notorious for that

695
00:28:30,750 --> 00:28:27,750
like the the phenomenon is is transient

696
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:30,760
from what from everything we know of it

697
00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:34,210
at this point so the the Rockets how

698
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:35,920
many would you say where we're launched

699
00:28:39,180 --> 00:28:37,930
throughout the Attic that time period

700
00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:39,190
because it you know on the show you

701
00:28:43,050 --> 00:28:41,230
don't get to see and I want to make this

702
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:43,060
clear a lot of people criticize like oh

703
00:28:46,530 --> 00:28:44,530
well it doesn't look like the timing

704
00:28:48,150 --> 00:28:46,540
matched or the date the timestamp was

705
00:28:50,460 --> 00:28:48,160
wrong or there's only one rocket or

706
00:28:52,770 --> 00:28:50,470
there's a link well this is TV and so

707
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:52,780
people have to understand like for every

708
00:28:57,780 --> 00:28:56,050
the formula is typically one minute well

709
00:28:59,460 --> 00:28:57,790
nowadays it's even longer so it used to

710
00:29:01,410 --> 00:28:59,470
be one minute of content for every 60

711
00:29:03,780 --> 00:29:01,420
minutes filmed I think that's even

712
00:29:05,490 --> 00:29:03,790
pushed longer now so meaning if you got

713
00:29:06,690 --> 00:29:05,500
a camera running for and I don't know

714
00:29:08,430 --> 00:29:06,700
what the ratio is here but let's just

715
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:08,440
say it's four hours so every four hours

716
00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:10,510
you're getting one minute for the show

717
00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:12,700
so yet understand it's all condensed and

718
00:29:16,110 --> 00:29:14,710
just because the timelines don't

719
00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:16,120
necessarily match up in the show doesn't

720
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:17,980
mean that it was faked or staged or

721
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:20,080
anything it's the editing process did

722
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:21,730
you want to make that clear because I

723
00:29:25,380 --> 00:29:22,690
know there's lot of questions about it

724
00:29:27,810 --> 00:29:25,390
no I'm not wait and it's it's also

725
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:27,820
something to that we I've seen some

726
00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:30,610
criticisms on on the comments of all

727
00:29:34,830 --> 00:29:32,350
is that how you guys really handled

728
00:29:37,289 --> 00:29:34,840
those you know meters with the coffee

729
00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:37,299
cans or or the laser you know you're up

730
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:39,270
there for 30 seconds trying to work on

731
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:41,890
if that's a great point if you

732
00:29:46,110 --> 00:29:43,330
matter-of-fact with can't be seen with

733
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:46,120
that laser like one-minute work setting

734
00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:48,490
up the camping gear and they go up on

735
00:29:51,299 --> 00:29:49,870
the hill on the next minute

736
00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:51,309
dragons sitting there saying we got a

737
00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:53,320
hurry the sun's coming up like when the

738
00:29:57,660 --> 00:29:55,900
laser went down we spent a lot of time

739
00:30:00,450 --> 00:29:57,670
trying to get that stupid thing to work

740
00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:00,460
every you know we've tried the batteries

741
00:30:06,419 --> 00:30:02,830
we try we tried everything and and it is

742
00:30:08,580 --> 00:30:06,429
time-consuming and look hours hours of

743
00:30:11,340 --> 00:30:08,590
time not minutes hours at the end of the

744
00:30:13,530 --> 00:30:11,350
day you want sexy right and so sometimes

745
00:30:15,870 --> 00:30:13,540
science doesn't provide the sexiest

746
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:15,880
shots and there were even times to like

747
00:30:20,010 --> 00:30:17,350
you'll see time stamps on the cameras

748
00:30:22,770 --> 00:30:20,020
where when we're dealing with RF signals

749
00:30:25,470 --> 00:30:22,780
well we've got cameras going we've got

750
00:30:28,409 --> 00:30:25,480
microphone audio equipment going they

751
00:30:30,570 --> 00:30:28,419
produce signals themselves and so when

752
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:30,580
we're picking up these anomalies there

753
00:30:34,289 --> 00:30:32,110
were times where the scientists would

754
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:34,299
make them turn everything off because we

755
00:30:38,190 --> 00:30:36,130
had to differentiate between what we

756
00:30:41,159 --> 00:30:38,200
were producing and what we were picking

757
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:41,169
up from whatever it was we were picking

758
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:43,330
up up and and they didn't want that

759
00:30:47,730 --> 00:30:45,610
interference from the camera equipment

760
00:30:49,140 --> 00:30:47,740
and microphone equipment so obviously if

761
00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:49,150
you got to take the cameras down for a

762
00:30:52,169 --> 00:30:50,470
few minutes so that they can get a

763
00:30:54,450 --> 00:30:52,179
bearing on what's going on without the

764
00:30:57,510 --> 00:30:54,460
interference from all of this outside

765
00:30:58,799 --> 00:30:57,520
the stuff we're producing when you bring

766
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:58,809
them up there's going to be a difference

767
00:31:02,010 --> 00:30:59,919
the shadows are gonna be in a different

768
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:02,020
place and so forth so absolutely there's

769
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:04,450
a lot of production that goes in to God

770
00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:06,850
your TV script your TV show is screwing

771
00:31:13,169 --> 00:31:11,080
up the science TJ right come on science

772
00:31:14,669 --> 00:31:13,179
damn it no science and the [\h__\h] out of

773
00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:14,679
stuff and if you know science

774
00:31:18,930 --> 00:31:16,270
observational science takes a long time

775
00:31:20,220 --> 00:31:18,940
and you know you you have to wait and

776
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:20,230
wait and wait and you might get that one

777
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:23,200
second of content and just you know

778
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,510
can't stress enough nothing is staged

779
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:27,760
this is what's happening it just takes a

780
00:31:30,570 --> 00:31:29,200
long time to get this stuff so he said

781
00:31:32,190 --> 00:31:30,580
shadows might be off things might be

782
00:31:34,110 --> 00:31:32,200
different then you didn't you would

783
00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:34,120
think in the time timeline but it is in

784
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:35,710
fact really what had happened Maureen I

785
00:31:39,270 --> 00:31:37,450
know you wanted to comment on something

786
00:31:39,810 --> 00:31:39,280
was this the block you wanted to comment

787
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:39,820
on

788
00:31:43,670 --> 00:31:42,910
well you haven't gotten to the the UFO

789
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:43,680
yet

790
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:45,480
screw it let's go so next we come back

791
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:50,880
and it's our youth Oh Oh Miley worry

792
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:53,010
worry what do you want it's like I want

793
00:31:56,930 --> 00:31:54,720
I'm going to leave this one lead the

794
00:31:59,300 --> 00:31:56,940
charge here did you thought well cuz I

795
00:32:00,980 --> 00:31:59,310
just you know I find it interesting and

796
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:00,990
before anybody jumps down my throat

797
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:04,050
saying that I'm being too much of a

798
00:32:07,940 --> 00:32:05,880
debunker cuz I'm not trying to debunk it

799
00:32:11,660 --> 00:32:07,950
it's unidentified I don't know what it

800
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:11,670
is but I do have some like basic project

801
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:13,410
Bluebook theories that it's interesting

802
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:16,530
that it does behave a bit like ball

803
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:19,740
lightning and but you know it's I

804
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:21,240
understand it's a beautiful sunny day

805
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:24,710
that's not been unknown to happen so I

806
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:28,410
had a theory that that maybe if there

807
00:32:32,060 --> 00:32:30,090
was some sort of I don't know if you've

808
00:32:34,970 --> 00:32:32,070
gone in too heavy into a meteorological

809
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:34,980
data for that time period if there was

810
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:38,730
some sort of electric current going

811
00:32:44,810 --> 00:32:41,250
through the sky at that time that would

812
00:32:47,060 --> 00:32:44,820
also kind of maybe possibly relate to

813
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:47,070
gamma hits and then freak out the cows

814
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:50,220
so that was kind of my thought it is

815
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:52,170
great we have Thomas to address this ya

816
00:32:55,490 --> 00:32:53,880
know Thomas what do you think what do

817
00:32:57,140 --> 00:32:55,500
you think of Murray's theory and tell us

818
00:32:58,060 --> 00:32:57,150
about the whole experience what was what

819
00:33:02,600 --> 00:32:58,070
was happening

820
00:33:06,020 --> 00:33:02,610
it was like ah yeah so we we saw it

821
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:06,030
multiple times and the interesting thing

822
00:33:13,370 --> 00:33:10,650
was is that look I don't think that

823
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:13,380
anyone can say 100% definitively it was

824
00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:16,410
this or as that so your theory I think

825
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:18,630
it has to be in play until you can prove

826
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:20,450
otherwise

827
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:24,480
that being said I'll just say that when

828
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:27,330
we went back and analyzed the footage

829
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:31,110
closer we were able to pick up

830
00:33:39,020 --> 00:33:36,930
additional ones and I'd you know it's

831
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:39,030
hard because we're at four and we're

832
00:33:42,380 --> 00:33:40,770
getting there we're getting the rest of

833
00:33:44,270 --> 00:33:42,390
them so I don't know if they're like

834
00:33:46,460 --> 00:33:44,280
gonna circle back and show additional

835
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:46,470
I've told some people let's get eight

836
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:47,610
out and then I'll know what I could say

837
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,650
what I can't so let me say this before

838
00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:51,120
we keep going let's to say this so we

839
00:33:56,509 --> 00:33:53,880
you know what happens we know well you

840
00:33:58,430 --> 00:33:56,519
know but we know what happens and

841
00:34:00,529 --> 00:33:58,440
I think that if we continue to get

842
00:34:02,419 --> 00:34:00,539
people to watch the show and we go to

843
00:34:05,209 --> 00:34:02,429
season 2 I think we're gonna get a lot

844
00:34:07,339 --> 00:34:05,219
more answer so this is watch the show

845
00:34:09,289 --> 00:34:07,349
Tuesday nights 10 o'clock except for

846
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:09,299
this this week they'll be back on May

847
00:34:12,980 --> 00:34:11,849
5th Seco de Mayo so we can get some more

848
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:12,990
answers from Thomas because I think

849
00:34:16,579 --> 00:34:14,760
we're going to get to that we do circle

850
00:34:18,319 --> 00:34:16,589
back to stuff but it's on I think

851
00:34:20,569 --> 00:34:18,329
without giving out too much info Thomas

852
00:34:24,139 --> 00:34:20,579
I think I mean you kind of vaguely

853
00:34:26,419 --> 00:34:24,149
described yes there's it has to be

854
00:34:29,089 --> 00:34:26,429
identified before we say it's

855
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:29,099
unidentified or has to be unidentified

856
00:34:33,409 --> 00:34:30,419
until we say it is identified I should

857
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,419
say I mean that's just just one one

858
00:34:39,220 --> 00:34:35,520
theory because I am NOT a scientist it

859
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:39,230
was just one ball park ball I was

860
00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:43,169
speaking to that that a week before we

861
00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:45,929
saw that that the week before he caught

862
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:47,399
that I was actually with another

863
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:50,010
individual and we were out on the south

864
00:34:55,730 --> 00:34:52,529
side we looked up there was a contrail

865
00:34:57,609 --> 00:34:55,740
across the sky from a jet and literally

866
00:35:00,440 --> 00:34:57,619
saw a craft that looked almost identical

867
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:00,450
why I'm calling it a craft right I saw

868
00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:03,089
an object that looked identical to what

869
00:35:08,660 --> 00:35:06,140
we saw with what we showed on episode 4

870
00:35:12,620 --> 00:35:08,670
then actually darted out from the

871
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:12,630
contrail and was there for maybe 2

872
00:35:17,059 --> 00:35:15,599
seconds and then darted back in moved

873
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,069
back behind the contra where you

874
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:19,200
couldn't see so I don't know what the

875
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,480
behavior of what it is you're speaking

876
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:23,760
of but I do know like it came out an

877
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:26,220
inch from the contrail up in this guy

878
00:35:30,260 --> 00:35:28,529
and then it then it moved back in and it

879
00:35:36,859 --> 00:35:30,270
was really ratchet Jay so are your

880
00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:36,869
thoughts but you know it's it's it's

881
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:40,470
incredibly fascinating to see on the

882
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:42,210
screen what it does with it's

883
00:35:48,109 --> 00:35:46,049
disappearing behavior it's also

884
00:35:50,299 --> 00:35:48,119
fascinating that there were multiple

885
00:35:53,089 --> 00:35:50,309
witnesses there who all saw the same

886
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,099
thing right so this is these are great

887
00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:55,200
things and many who are scientists so

888
00:35:59,599 --> 00:35:57,510
you know you've got really good things

889
00:36:02,329 --> 00:35:59,609
here that you don't typically get with

890
00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:02,339
the UFO sighting you also captured it on

891
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:04,950
video something that you can go back and

892
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:07,650
analyze plus you've got Eric with all of

893
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:10,260
the gadgets going on in the control room

894
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:11,880
and checking flight data and all of

895
00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:13,110
these things to rule out other

896
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:15,630
possibilities so you're really set up

897
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:18,690
here with an unusual situation when it

898
00:36:25,610 --> 00:36:20,850
comes to UFO sightings to be able to

899
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:25,620
rule out the possible identity other

900
00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:27,420
identities for these things right and

901
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:29,670
your left with with more mystery I mean

902
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:30,720
when you start feeling about the layers

903
00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:33,180
so I like it I'm hoping we get to see

904
00:36:37,070 --> 00:36:35,190
more with that because we've got a lot

905
00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:37,080
of data to work with Here I am a

906
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:40,200
question for you sorry real quick is do

907
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:41,610
you feel I know the Sun was in

908
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:43,110
everyone's eyes so it was very hard to

909
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:44,940
see do you feel like it was more of a

910
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,690
like solid metallic sort of look or do

911
00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:50,000
you think it was more translucent

912
00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:52,500
translucent cuz I know over the course

913
00:36:57,410 --> 00:36:54,900
of the years this is a very frequently

914
00:37:01,040 --> 00:36:57,420
reported type of UFO but also there's

915
00:37:02,510 --> 00:37:01,050
been a biological UFOs what that people

916
00:37:04,340 --> 00:37:02,520
call them reported where they're more

917
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:04,350
like the same shape and they kind of

918
00:37:07,610 --> 00:37:05,610
have that look but they're they look

919
00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:07,620
seem like they're more translucent and

920
00:37:14,570 --> 00:37:11,880
moving like an entity almost yeah so my

921
00:37:15,830 --> 00:37:14,580
personal opinion what I saw I'm not

922
00:37:19,970 --> 00:37:15,840
gonna speak for the other individuals

923
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:19,980
but for my interpretation what I saw it

924
00:37:25,250 --> 00:37:23,700
was more translucent nice so I mean what

925
00:37:27,260 --> 00:37:25,260
I really like is the fact that you know

926
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,270
you have this this object you see or

927
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:29,520
these objects and we see them as well

928
00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:30,900
well you see them at least twice on

929
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,820
camera and they're different ones so

930
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:35,280
going from the D block to the e block I

931
00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:37,110
mean what I love is you guys just press

932
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:39,240
on with like let's shoot more rockets

933
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:40,770
let's get more data let's just continue

934
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:42,810
what we're doing and not stop and like

935
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:44,610
oh my god we saw this let's all go

936
00:37:48,620 --> 00:37:46,410
inside and watch no you had a job to do

937
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,630
I mean a lot of people you're fascinated

938
00:37:52,490 --> 00:37:50,400
by this and people would be in awe I

939
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:52,500
mean I know when I've seen stuff or if I

940
00:37:54,830 --> 00:37:53,970
had seen that there I'd be like okay I'm

941
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:54,840
done with the rock and Sysco see what

942
00:38:00,140 --> 00:37:57,180
this was but so your guys credit like

943
00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:00,150
hey you kept going and it happened more

944
00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:03,540
I mean there were more yeah right I love

945
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:06,060
your nut you know having I mean in

946
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:07,890
Travis Eddy so look stuffs happening now

947
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:09,660
so now we want to get our stuff up but

948
00:38:13,850 --> 00:38:11,970
because it's there so that was really

949
00:38:15,650 --> 00:38:13,860
cool to see and I feel like I have to

950
00:38:18,260 --> 00:38:15,660
come to Travis's defense here a little

951
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:18,270
bit because you know some people are

952
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:22,050
hating on his UFO phrasing but

953
00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:24,780
you know as jarring as that sounds and I

954
00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:27,000
will never use that term that is the

955
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:30,180
correct pronunciation of UFO is it

956
00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:31,200
really I'd ever do that

957
00:38:35,780 --> 00:38:33,540
yeah Captain Edward ruppelt who coined

958
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:35,790
the term UFO from the Air Force's

959
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:38,400
Project Blue Book specified that that's

960
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:41,460
how you pronounce UFO it's UFO that's

961
00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:42,210
awesome

962
00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:44,190
leave it to Travis to be the only one

963
00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:45,750
who can pronounce it easy I think that

964
00:39:00,830 --> 00:38:50,280
was more of a southern thing but nobody

965
00:39:03,530 --> 00:39:00,840
telling that so the next the next

966
00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:03,540
barrage of rockets and the you know

967
00:39:06,859 --> 00:39:04,500
they're going off you're collecting data

968
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:06,869
and then another one shows up just like

969
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:10,380
again and Dragan starts to feel ill did

970
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:11,700
anyone else feel that what was going on

971
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:13,610
and didn't need anyone elses sensors

972
00:39:25,010 --> 00:39:19,410
react yeah so when he indicated that he

973
00:39:26,660 --> 00:39:25,020
was filling a little bit off uh like the

974
00:39:28,609 --> 00:39:26,670
rest of us I at least I could count for

975
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:28,619
myself and I know a couple the others

976
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:29,970
were there you automatically start

977
00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:32,010
looking at your own like whoa am i doing

978
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,640
anything weird and to my knowledge he

979
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:37,200
was the only one that was really

980
00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:41,490
reacting that way at that point so you

981
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:43,859
know I personally didn't feel anything

982
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:46,619
which is nice for a change yeah he

983
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:48,450
seemed like he was he was probably the

984
00:39:52,940 --> 00:39:50,490
most shocked and flabbergasted out of

985
00:39:55,550 --> 00:39:52,950
everyone about seeing it so I think yeah

986
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:55,560
that probably could cause a big spike in

987
00:40:00,380 --> 00:39:58,320
the heart rate I'm not sure about the

988
00:40:04,609 --> 00:40:00,390
nausea but but I could see like he

989
00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:04,619
seemed to be the most taken aback none

990
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,820
of this kind of the cats out of the bag

991
00:40:10,070 --> 00:40:07,680
you know we'll get him back on here to

992
00:40:12,190 --> 00:40:10,080
get a little insight you know we can

993
00:40:14,330 --> 00:40:12,200
into his experience it'll be awesome so

994
00:40:17,170 --> 00:40:14,340
Jason what do you think of the the

995
00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:17,180
centers I mean like you said earlier the

996
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:19,740
how unusual it is because you have all

997
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:23,250
of this this tech going and personally I

998
00:40:25,820 --> 00:40:24,930
don't know and you guys correct me if

999
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:25,830
I'm wrong but I don't know of any other

1000
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:27,330
sightings that have this kind of

1001
00:40:32,410 --> 00:40:29,250
corroborating data around it like this

1002
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:32,420
does this amount of evidence or data

1003
00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:35,250
that they're collecting and we

1004
00:40:39,740 --> 00:40:37,980
as the viewers or there's not the people

1005
00:40:41,150 --> 00:40:39,750
that are actually there are getting to

1006
00:40:42,380 --> 00:40:41,160
see this like normally when something

1007
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:42,390
like this happens people claim there's

1008
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:44,010
this that any other but we don't know

1009
00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:45,570
that's true like here we are witnessing

1010
00:40:49,790 --> 00:40:47,820
it so I mean Jason I wanna know what you

1011
00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:49,800
think what your thoughts are on on this

1012
00:40:52,310 --> 00:40:51,060
because it's kind of a unique you know

1013
00:40:54,620 --> 00:40:52,320
like you said it's unique situation but

1014
00:40:57,620 --> 00:40:54,630
is there anything else that even is

1015
00:40:59,810 --> 00:40:57,630
close to this did you know you're right

1016
00:41:02,360 --> 00:40:59,820
I mean it is an incredibly exciting

1017
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:02,370
thing to sort of be an audience member

1018
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:04,920
and experience this to go on the journey

1019
00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:07,530
with the team there as as they're

1020
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:09,780
discovering this in and acquiring data

1021
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:13,680
at the same time it's it's highly

1022
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:15,930
unusual there are other cases that do

1023
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:18,900
have sort of a wealth of of data points

1024
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:22,160
to work with those are typically like

1025
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:24,210
sightings that involve commercial

1026
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:27,780
aircraft or military aircraft and even

1027
00:41:33,350 --> 00:41:31,290
those you know UFO yeah so with these

1028
00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:33,360
you get you know sometimes you get video

1029
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:35,430
from military sources but you certainly

1030
00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:39,890
get air traffic control data and and the

1031
00:41:45,860 --> 00:41:43,320
the audio dialogue that happens between

1032
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,870
planes and ground control while they're

1033
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:47,520
trying to work out these sightings and

1034
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:49,530
they're calculating positioning and and

1035
00:41:52,820 --> 00:41:51,420
altitude and things like that where

1036
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:52,830
they've got multiple data points to work

1037
00:41:57,350 --> 00:41:54,810
with but it really doesn't happen that

1038
00:42:00,440 --> 00:41:57,360
often certainly not when you've got the

1039
00:42:03,140 --> 00:42:00,450
video to go along with it you know from

1040
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:03,150
from the ground vantage point so I mean

1041
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,740
this is really cool and like I said I

1042
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:06,480
mean having all these data points I'm

1043
00:42:11,230 --> 00:42:09,060
exciting excited to see you know what

1044
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:11,240
comes of it now before we move on

1045
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:14,490
because Jay Thomas I mean you know Jason

1046
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:16,110
and Maureen have a at least a lot more

1047
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,760
experience than I do in this in this

1048
00:42:21,980 --> 00:42:19,680
realm and I kind of defer to then a lot

1049
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:21,990
of times and I know you as well like you

1050
00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:25,770
weren't a you know a UFO buff or you

1051
00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:27,300
know it wasn't something that you were

1052
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,420
actively seeking out but for the two of

1053
00:42:34,430 --> 00:42:32,640
you if and and I think that this is

1054
00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:34,440
gonna play to a lot of questions that

1055
00:42:38,660 --> 00:42:36,630
we'll get to later but if there was

1056
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:38,670
another piece of information that you

1057
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:41,250
could have acquired during this what

1058
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,510
would it be I want to hear what both of

1059
00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:44,160
you as I say like what would be that one

1060
00:42:48,860 --> 00:42:45,390
other piece that could kind of round

1061
00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:48,870
this out and make you be like holy [\h__\h]

1062
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:50,700
this is what this is what I've been

1063
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,170
wanting to see like what would have been

1064
00:42:55,940 --> 00:42:54,240
besides somebody opening a window and

1065
00:42:58,190 --> 00:42:55,950
being like hey what's up out of the the

1066
00:43:00,500 --> 00:42:58,200
youth oh what what other pieces don't

1067
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:00,510
start saying that I'm just I'm obviously

1068
00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:04,050
I'm features here the but what would

1069
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:05,940
that other that other piece of info be

1070
00:43:09,770 --> 00:43:08,040
that you guys would say hey you know out

1071
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:09,780
of all our experience it would be great

1072
00:43:13,730 --> 00:43:11,730
if we had this because I know Eric would

1073
00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:13,740
love to know this kind of infill as well

1074
00:43:16,820 --> 00:43:15,270
I mean it's something that these guys

1075
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:16,830
will process and potentially you know

1076
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,300
can implement if if they think it's

1077
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,880
necessary or useful I mean I think

1078
00:43:25,070 --> 00:43:22,800
there's there's a lot of different

1079
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:25,080
things that would be helpful to have but

1080
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,610
I'm sure that a lot of this we're just

1081
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,040
not seen now so I don't really want to

1082
00:43:32,690 --> 00:43:30,720
answer that question without seeing like

1083
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:32,700
a full report of the scientific study

1084
00:43:40,810 --> 00:43:37,440
done personally okay I feel like Jason's

1085
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:40,820
gonna say yeah ditto ditto

1086
00:43:45,140 --> 00:43:43,560
that's that's the the smart move here I

1087
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,150
mean we know that there's so much more

1088
00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:47,520
going on with this investigation that we

1089
00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:50,070
haven't seen yet so it's hard to comment

1090
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:52,710
on but something like I just mentioned

1091
00:43:57,620 --> 00:43:54,810
along the same lines is you know there

1092
00:43:59,920 --> 00:43:57,630
was other air traffic in the sky at the

1093
00:44:02,830 --> 00:43:59,930
same time so with some of these

1094
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:02,840
sightings that happen that involve

1095
00:44:07,070 --> 00:44:05,640
commercial air traffic you know it's

1096
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:07,080
interesting it would it would be

1097
00:44:10,850 --> 00:44:08,460
interesting in this case to have been

1098
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:10,860
able to communicate with that plane and

1099
00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:13,410
see if they were able to visually sight

1100
00:44:20,570 --> 00:44:15,630
anything perspective yeah I totally

1101
00:44:23,660 --> 00:44:20,580
forgot I wrote down that question this

1102
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:23,670
other jet to see if you saw anything so

1103
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:26,370
thanks Jason Thomas so going into the

1104
00:44:29,540 --> 00:44:27,930
next block this is the part where you

1105
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:29,550
guys are all sitting around the F block

1106
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,810
you're sitting around you start

1107
00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:32,160
discussing the data you know you're

1108
00:44:34,940 --> 00:44:33,270
going over stuff you're in the command

1109
00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:34,950
center and speaking to what they were

1110
00:44:40,850 --> 00:44:39,780
both just saying Jason marine what what

1111
00:44:42,110 --> 00:44:40,860
was going through people's minds what

1112
00:44:43,850 --> 00:44:42,120
were the reactions that we didn't get to

1113
00:44:45,350 --> 00:44:43,860
see and if you want to address anything

1114
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,360
that we just talked about like in terms

1115
00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:46,800
of other data points that were not aware

1116
00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:49,560
of or the the air traffic control like

1117
00:44:52,940 --> 00:44:51,300
you know these criticisms that people

1118
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:52,950
have thrown out online like hey it could

1119
00:44:55,940 --> 00:44:54,570
have been this could've been that just

1120
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:55,950
because you don't have the tail number

1121
00:44:59,660 --> 00:44:57,420
doesn't mean that it wasn't an aircraft

1122
00:45:00,800 --> 00:44:59,670
not all aircraft has if it's military

1123
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:00,810
you may not have a tail

1124
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:03,690
on it so what do you think what can you

1125
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:06,690
say about this stuff yeah so we actually

1126
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:11,610
have multiple different sources that we

1127
00:45:18,830 --> 00:45:17,160
use to identify aircraft both on we have

1128
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:18,840
a transponder both on the ranch and then

1129
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,090
we have we subscribe to other services

1130
00:45:25,940 --> 00:45:23,280
as well that provide that information

1131
00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:25,950
and so we always are looking at multiple

1132
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:28,350
sources to try to identify and the right

1133
00:45:33,830 --> 00:45:31,800
like they're matter of fact we see it

1134
00:45:36,740 --> 00:45:33,840
quite often where we will see aircraft

1135
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:36,750
come across the airspace that do not

1136
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:41,160
they're not transponding now can you do

1137
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:42,720
a quick tell us about that I know that

1138
00:45:47,180 --> 00:45:45,180
Eric is his own transponder right the

1139
00:45:48,140 --> 00:45:47,190
transponder I mean I will get him to

1140
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:48,150
talk about it as well but the

1141
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:49,410
transponder that you guys are using one

1142
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:50,250
of them anyway

1143
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:53,130
to ping to ping the tail numbers it's he

1144
00:45:58,060 --> 00:45:56,850
built that yeah I'm not sure Eric's like

1145
00:46:02,030 --> 00:45:58,070
the MacGyver of

1146
00:46:04,820 --> 00:46:02,040
this guy literally can pull stuff out

1147
00:46:06,590 --> 00:46:04,830
and make fit he is one of most brilliant

1148
00:46:08,540 --> 00:46:06,600
human beings I've ever been around and

1149
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:08,550
he is a guy that literally so

1150
00:46:13,940 --> 00:46:10,890
well-versed in so many any areas that I

1151
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:13,950
mean he I go in that lab and watch him

1152
00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:17,310
put together equipment and sensors and

1153
00:46:21,860 --> 00:46:20,070
different things he'll buy sensor then

1154
00:46:23,810 --> 00:46:21,870
he'll he'll find things he doesn't like

1155
00:46:27,260 --> 00:46:23,820
about it I'll tear apart modify it and

1156
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:27,270
test it but I mean he's really that way

1157
00:46:31,340 --> 00:46:30,450
so I did to talk to him next week we're

1158
00:46:33,350 --> 00:46:31,350
gonna have it so everyone knows it

1159
00:46:34,610 --> 00:46:33,360
actually to be on the show next week and

1160
00:46:36,260 --> 00:46:34,620
we're gonna start taking questions for

1161
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,270
him but you know we'll let him speak to

1162
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:37,920
that stuff but go on tell us about you

1163
00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:39,930
know what you were saying about the

1164
00:46:43,940 --> 00:46:41,430
aircraft you you've seen other aircraft

1165
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:43,950
without tails numbers I mean we have

1166
00:46:49,090 --> 00:46:46,170
seen other aircraft come across the

1167
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:49,100
airspace that are not sending out a

1168
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:53,940
transponding signal that does happen so

1169
00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:55,410
you always have to take that into

1170
00:46:59,420 --> 00:46:57,510
account so then the next thing that you

1171
00:47:01,940 --> 00:46:59,430
have to look at and this is really what

1172
00:47:03,590 --> 00:47:01,950
starts throwing us off is well is it if

1173
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:03,600
it's an aircraft and obviously it's

1174
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:06,330
going to be moving and behaving like an

1175
00:47:12,260 --> 00:47:08,910
aircraft whether it's a helicopter or a

1176
00:47:14,780 --> 00:47:12,270
plane and so what was nice about the one

1177
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:14,790
sighting that we had is we actually had

1178
00:47:20,930 --> 00:47:18,090
aircraft right there next to it to to

1179
00:47:22,940 --> 00:47:20,940
place it against and so then you're

1180
00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:22,950
looking at the movement behavior of it

1181
00:47:28,220 --> 00:47:25,470
and that's you know Travis had a hard

1182
00:47:30,020 --> 00:47:28,230
time I originally thought it was a plane

1183
00:47:34,070 --> 00:47:30,030
I thought that what we were seeing was

1184
00:47:36,590 --> 00:47:34,080
maybe the Sun glinting off of a jet I've

1185
00:47:38,810 --> 00:47:36,600
seen it before and and it does look

1186
00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:38,820
similar but the behavior and the and the

1187
00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:44,280
movement of it was not it wasn't didn't

1188
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:46,190
lean to that theory it was an aircraft

1189
00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:49,170
okay at least not a plane that that

1190
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:51,960
travels and behaves the way that what

1191
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:54,720
we'd expect to see okay so now you guys

1192
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:56,010
are sitting in the in the room and

1193
00:47:59,390 --> 00:47:57,180
you're obviously having that discussion

1194
00:48:01,850 --> 00:47:59,400
and then talking about the I think it

1195
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:01,860
was Travis mentioned that this is like a

1196
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:05,040
big deal like a big Aven deal that you

1197
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:06,390
have a relationship between the gamma

1198
00:48:11,020 --> 00:48:08,940
measurements is that it was that correct

1199
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:11,030
I didn't wanna I don't want to speak

1200
00:48:15,860 --> 00:48:13,980
yeah you know what made this really

1201
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:15,870
spectacular is obviously you've got the

1202
00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:18,450
eyewitnesses and they hate for us to

1203
00:48:21,740 --> 00:48:20,430
ever refer to the guys behind the camera

1204
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:21,750
it's like I think they called the fourth

1205
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,370
curtain right we're not supposed to be

1206
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:25,680
that for third the fourth way yeah there

1207
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:27,450
was way more witnesses than just us

1208
00:48:30,980 --> 00:48:29,610
standing out there on camera you had you

1209
00:48:32,660 --> 00:48:30,990
had a lot of individuals on the

1210
00:48:36,260 --> 00:48:32,670
production side of things that witnessed

1211
00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:36,270
it too and so there was a lot of

1212
00:48:41,180 --> 00:48:39,420
eyewitnesses and then you you have the

1213
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:41,190
cattle and I'll tell you

1214
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:45,690
the cattles behavior before we were

1215
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,370
firing rockets off and they didn't even

1216
00:48:51,050 --> 00:48:48,960
seem to care matter of fact the one

1217
00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:51,060
rocket we fired off it came down right

1218
00:48:54,980 --> 00:48:52,560
in the middle of the herd at one point

1219
00:48:58,070 --> 00:48:54,990
and they didn't even acknowledge that it

1220
00:49:01,630 --> 00:48:58,080
was there like and and so the behavior

1221
00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:01,640
of the herd was very out of the ordinary

1222
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:03,960
then you start looking at the data on

1223
00:49:08,540 --> 00:49:05,430
all of the equipment that we put up

1224
00:49:11,660 --> 00:49:08,550
there the gamma and the RF everything

1225
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:11,670
seemed to be just registering high

1226
00:49:18,980 --> 00:49:15,810
anomalous peaks during that time period

1227
00:49:20,690 --> 00:49:18,990
right there and with the Rockets it when

1228
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:20,700
we start analyzing it it did look like

1229
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,530
it correspondent with the altitude of

1230
00:49:27,070 --> 00:49:24,800
the rocket which would indicate that

1231
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:27,080
again altitude was planting into the

1232
00:49:31,060 --> 00:49:28,970
intensity that we were measuring some of

1233
00:49:32,620 --> 00:49:31,070
these things and so it was gamma right

1234
00:49:35,860 --> 00:49:32,630
is that correct yes

1235
00:49:37,210 --> 00:49:35,870
so all I think about one of them all I

1236
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:37,220
think of this is the Hulk when I think

1237
00:49:40,750 --> 00:49:38,720
gamma rays right you think gamma then

1238
00:49:42,580 --> 00:49:40,760
that was there you know the mutation or

1239
00:49:44,350 --> 00:49:42,590
whatever so Jason marine what do you

1240
00:49:46,210 --> 00:49:44,360
know about that I mean is that isn't a

1241
00:49:48,250 --> 00:49:46,220
common thing that that the gamma

1242
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:48,260
measurement has that ever been noticed

1243
00:49:52,450 --> 00:49:49,850
before they either of you are aware of

1244
00:49:54,910 --> 00:49:52,460
is that something that has been measured

1245
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:54,920
that I you know of or I haven't heard it

1246
00:49:58,090 --> 00:49:56,450
mentioned than any yeses not that I can

1247
00:49:59,170 --> 00:49:58,100
think of I was kind of thinking like it

1248
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,180
was gonna be like it I don't know but I

1249
00:50:03,610 --> 00:50:01,040
always feel like these could be those

1250
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:03,620
questions where you're like you guys

1251
00:50:06,970 --> 00:50:04,970
know the answers to this like yeah that

1252
00:50:09,070 --> 00:50:06,980
was from a blah blah blah blah blah and

1253
00:50:10,930 --> 00:50:09,080
so you know I kind of want to make sure

1254
00:50:12,970 --> 00:50:10,940
that we at least cover that potential

1255
00:50:14,530 --> 00:50:12,980
too if you get so I don't want to skip

1256
00:50:16,570 --> 00:50:14,540
over something if you if you know

1257
00:50:19,930 --> 00:50:16,580
something about this that we're not

1258
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:19,940
diving into and then I know you know you

1259
00:50:23,980 --> 00:50:21,410
guys Travis it was kind of a an

1260
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:23,990
awakening for him like a because he was

1261
00:50:28,420 --> 00:50:26,690
just like I can't believe it you know he

1262
00:50:29,590 --> 00:50:28,430
wasn't expecting any of this did anyone

1263
00:50:31,690 --> 00:50:29,600
else on the team have that kind of

1264
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:31,700
reaction like I mean you guys have all

1265
00:50:36,670 --> 00:50:33,890
had your your experiences but like what

1266
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:36,680
about dr. Sagawa what was his you know

1267
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:37,520
you don't really get much of his

1268
00:50:44,110 --> 00:50:40,730
reaction to it I see you smile Thomas

1269
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:44,120
what were your thoughts yeah no I think

1270
00:50:50,170 --> 00:50:49,010
I think everybody in the room was there

1271
00:50:51,820 --> 00:50:50,180
was some of us in there that felt

1272
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:51,830
validated and then there was some of us

1273
00:50:57,970 --> 00:50:54,770
that felt I know for Travis this was

1274
00:51:00,340 --> 00:50:57,980
definitely something new same with

1275
00:51:02,170 --> 00:51:00,350
dragon you know up to this point dragon

1276
00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:02,180
and I'll let him speak more for himself

1277
00:51:07,870 --> 00:51:05,270
but hadn't had any kind of these

1278
00:51:10,780 --> 00:51:07,880
experiences before and so trying to

1279
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:10,790
process what they just saw and and you

1280
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:12,710
know the good thing about it is though

1281
00:51:19,180 --> 00:51:14,810
and even though I've had experiences at

1282
00:51:22,300 --> 00:51:19,190
this point you still you still keep

1283
00:51:25,090 --> 00:51:22,310
going back and and double-checking did I

1284
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:25,100
really see what I thought I saw and that

1285
00:51:29,610 --> 00:51:26,690
discussion in that room we were actually

1286
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:29,620
in that room for a long time analyzing

1287
00:51:37,930 --> 00:51:35,090
ours and so and part of it was simply

1288
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:37,940
because we just keep looking at each

1289
00:51:40,270 --> 00:51:38,570
other saying

1290
00:51:43,570 --> 00:51:40,280
did we really see what we thought we saw

1291
00:51:45,250 --> 00:51:43,580
and then you look at the data and you

1292
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:45,260
just keep shaking your head so it was a

1293
00:51:54,070 --> 00:51:49,010
fun room to be in and dr. sagall is very

1294
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:54,080
I think he's very measured and yet he

1295
00:51:57,340 --> 00:51:55,520
doesn't get too high or too low he's

1296
00:51:59,020 --> 00:51:57,350
just he's very measured guy at least the

1297
00:52:01,180 --> 00:51:59,030
time that we were around him so that's

1298
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:01,190
why I spot smile when you you ask about

1299
00:52:06,250 --> 00:52:04,160
him because I think the ranch could be

1300
00:52:09,790 --> 00:52:06,260
on fire and he would still be very much

1301
00:52:11,830 --> 00:52:09,800
and very yeah yes technically that is on

1302
00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:11,840
fire and that's burning and we'll walk

1303
00:52:16,180 --> 00:52:14,030
steadily over here this way exit in

1304
00:52:18,130 --> 00:52:16,190
single file yeah I think that's

1305
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:18,140
personality has been kind of established

1306
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:19,370
or at least it's becoming established

1307
00:52:25,780 --> 00:52:21,910
what am I missing you guys what other

1308
00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:25,790
points are there that were not talking

1309
00:52:30,340 --> 00:52:29,030
about in that that scene that I know

1310
00:52:32,260 --> 00:52:30,350
Eric was looking at the he was looking

1311
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:32,270
at the flight data recorder people

1312
00:52:36,580 --> 00:52:33,920
criticized that again saying the time

1313
00:52:39,070 --> 00:52:36,590
didn't match on that and again all I can

1314
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:39,080
tell you it's editing so if the times

1315
00:52:42,730 --> 00:52:40,400
don't match that might be a shot from

1316
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:42,740
earlier that people were using and it it

1317
00:52:47,050 --> 00:52:45,110
does it's it's illustrating exactly what

1318
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:47,060
is happening so it's not meant for you

1319
00:52:51,010 --> 00:52:49,730
to kind of timestamp that the last shot

1320
00:52:53,050 --> 00:52:51,020
we got out that may not have been as

1321
00:52:56,980 --> 00:52:53,060
good so you're putting that in there and

1322
00:52:59,860 --> 00:52:56,990
it's just to give you in imply what it

1323
00:53:01,360 --> 00:52:59,870
is that they're analyzing so you have to

1324
00:53:03,610 --> 00:53:01,370
kind of go with the magic of television

1325
00:53:05,770 --> 00:53:03,620
at times but just knowing again it's

1326
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:05,780
still real there's nothing that's kind

1327
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:08,810
of fabricated but the trend think of

1328
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:13,010
what else we saw in that scene I know

1329
00:53:17,140 --> 00:53:14,530
Travis was there that was where his

1330
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:17,150
digging up comment game that was when

1331
00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:18,710
that was mentioned and I just thought

1332
00:53:23,530 --> 00:53:20,540
like wow that's got to be that's a

1333
00:53:26,410 --> 00:53:23,540
t-shirt man digging up poke in the sky

1334
00:53:37,780 --> 00:53:26,420
bear yeah that's poking the what the sky

1335
00:53:39,700 --> 00:53:37,790
bear all right okay the sky bear you

1336
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:39,710
know Eric I've been speaking with Erica

1337
00:53:44,260 --> 00:53:42,110
Mena speak with all you guys in Eric I

1338
00:53:46,570 --> 00:53:44,270
think he'll be able to kind of enlighten

1339
00:53:48,250 --> 00:53:46,580
us a bit more on and what it was but I

1340
00:53:50,410 --> 00:53:48,260
saw a question a lot Thomas knew at BO

1341
00:53:51,569 --> 00:53:50,420
the answer the camera was that one of

1342
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,579
the ranch cameras

1343
00:53:56,699 --> 00:53:53,440
that we're looking at the footage of or

1344
00:53:58,410 --> 00:53:56,709
is it one of the cruise cameras I didn't

1345
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:58,420
get a I didn't have a chance to clarify

1346
00:54:03,180 --> 00:53:59,680
before we came on

1347
00:54:05,549 --> 00:54:03,190
what's the Erica or Jason I mean I think

1348
00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:05,559
they say on the on the show remember

1349
00:54:10,289 --> 00:54:07,420
talking about it I think he says that it

1350
00:54:12,449 --> 00:54:10,299
Eric had it mounted somewhere should I

1351
00:54:14,489 --> 00:54:12,459
thought that on the show so I believe we

1352
00:54:16,799 --> 00:54:14,499
picked it up on both and if you go back

1353
00:54:18,329 --> 00:54:16,809
and look the when we're very first

1354
00:54:20,579 --> 00:54:18,339
watching it if you see it's kind of

1355
00:54:22,589 --> 00:54:20,589
shaky a little bit I believe that was

1356
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:22,599
the camera that they were holding the

1357
00:54:31,069 --> 00:54:25,930
actual production cameras and then we

1358
00:54:33,959 --> 00:54:31,079
obviously go back into the commit center

1359
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:33,969
command room the control room sorry and

1360
00:54:38,489 --> 00:54:36,729
and at that point we're looking at

1361
00:54:40,650 --> 00:54:38,499
footage that came from the surveillance

1362
00:54:43,380 --> 00:54:40,660
cameras okay I mean yeah because she's

1363
00:54:48,029 --> 00:54:43,390
pretty awesome to have multiple shots &

1364
00:54:49,739 --> 00:54:48,039
angles yep and in the yeah I mean you

1365
00:54:51,329 --> 00:54:49,749
can see that shot clearly somebody pans

1366
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:51,339
up with that camera that's why it looked

1367
00:54:54,959 --> 00:54:52,690
like it was a handheld so it wasn't

1368
00:54:56,569 --> 00:54:54,969
control he map you almost like missed

1369
00:54:59,729 --> 00:54:56,579
the zoom but they got it which is great

1370
00:55:01,019 --> 00:54:59,739
so I mean so you know that's basically

1371
00:55:02,849 --> 00:55:01,029
where we left off at the you know the

1372
00:55:04,709 --> 00:55:02,859
end that the show and then we start

1373
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:04,719
teasing for the next week and again so

1374
00:55:09,630 --> 00:55:06,729
people know or we're off for the next

1375
00:55:12,359 --> 00:55:09,640
week and we come back on the fifth but

1376
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,369
you can see from the the previews the

1377
00:55:17,309 --> 00:55:14,319
super tease going into the you know the

1378
00:55:18,809 --> 00:55:17,319
next episode talk about GPR they talk

1379
00:55:21,630 --> 00:55:18,819
about the two-story structure

1380
00:55:23,609 --> 00:55:21,640
potentially you know what do you guys

1381
00:55:25,019 --> 00:55:23,619
think Thomas talk to talk to what we're

1382
00:55:27,029 --> 00:55:25,029
gonna see what are you gonna see him

1383
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:27,039
come back but you could tell us without

1384
00:55:34,049 --> 00:55:30,609
giving away too much like yeah I will

1385
00:55:37,259 --> 00:55:34,059
say out of all look episode four was

1386
00:55:40,229 --> 00:55:37,269
awesome I mean we saw a UFO their UFO

1387
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:40,239
you've done we collected we collected

1388
00:55:46,739 --> 00:55:43,569
some great data so for was a great

1389
00:55:51,749 --> 00:55:46,749
episode but I think as far as like the

1390
00:55:54,329 --> 00:55:51,759
actual substance v is the one I'm the

1391
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:54,339
most excited about over the antenna out

1392
00:55:58,559 --> 00:55:56,170
of the entire season everything that

1393
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,569
takes place I think that some of the

1394
00:56:02,729 --> 00:56:00,400
stuff that will be revealed in Episode

1395
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:02,739
five is some of the most meaningful and

1396
00:56:08,190 --> 00:56:05,110
significant data that

1397
00:56:09,420 --> 00:56:08,200
or indication of what we're picking up

1398
00:56:12,450 --> 00:56:09,430
at the ranch that will release all

1399
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:12,460
season I I'm 5 I've been stoked for five

1400
00:56:16,260 --> 00:56:14,650
since we filmed awesome

1401
00:56:19,050 --> 00:56:16,270
that's honey here's five then I just

1402
00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:19,060
knew what we picked up and I know that

1403
00:56:24,420 --> 00:56:21,940
judging from the the super tease that we

1404
00:56:26,310 --> 00:56:24,430
saw I I know for a fact that were it's

1405
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:26,320
at least going to be addressed in five

1406
00:56:29,820 --> 00:56:27,970
and I'm super stoked

1407
00:56:33,630 --> 00:56:29,830
well you just super tease the super

1408
00:56:34,650 --> 00:56:33,640
tease I'm excited right now when I saw

1409
00:56:40,260 --> 00:56:34,660
that when I saw the ground-penetrating

1410
00:56:42,180 --> 00:56:40,270
radar I got really excited yeah Thomas

1411
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:42,190
what was so test just real quick without

1412
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:44,410
going into too much like with a spoilers

1413
00:56:48,450 --> 00:56:46,810
but how long were these it was another

1414
00:56:50,220 --> 00:56:48,460
thing I see you know a lot of times

1415
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:50,230
these guys are just coming out there for

1416
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:51,970
a few minutes and they get out there and

1417
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:53,290
it looks like oh yeah they just did this

1418
00:56:58,680 --> 00:56:56,650
entire thing in two hours or the example

1419
00:56:59,880 --> 00:56:58,690
ISM with the the drone the guy with the

1420
00:57:01,890 --> 00:56:59,890
drone it looks like he was only there

1421
00:57:02,430 --> 00:57:01,900
for you know a couple hours did his

1422
00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:02,440
thing

1423
00:57:05,820 --> 00:57:04,150
batteries died and that was it I mean

1424
00:57:06,990 --> 00:57:05,830
but that's that's an entire day I mean

1425
00:57:09,420 --> 00:57:07,000
that's a that's a long day you're

1426
00:57:10,380 --> 00:57:09,430
talking 810 hours so look with the GPR

1427
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:10,390
guys how long would you say they were

1428
00:57:15,210 --> 00:57:12,160
they were out there for I mean you're

1429
00:57:17,970 --> 00:57:15,220
talking one day multiple days multiple

1430
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:17,980
days yeah and and again that to

1431
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:19,510
illustrate like you're gonna see him for

1432
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:21,040
a few minutes on the show but they were

1433
00:57:24,930 --> 00:57:23,290
there for days so when people say oh

1434
00:57:29,730 --> 00:57:24,940
they weren't there very long or whatever

1435
00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:29,740
you know they were the so we duties they

1436
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:33,310
do pull open that you saw the concrete

1437
00:57:38,670 --> 00:57:37,510
the concrete being lifted so that I had

1438
00:57:43,140 --> 00:57:38,680
that experience with that I don't know

1439
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:43,150
how she remembers like sister though

1440
00:57:49,710 --> 00:57:48,130
yeah at at homestead to the I had two

1441
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,720
instances with it with that thing

1442
00:57:53,070 --> 00:57:51,520
hurting me and then the door falling on

1443
00:57:56,090 --> 00:57:53,080
me and cutting me in one of the

1444
00:57:58,260 --> 00:57:56,100
homesteads so I'm curious to see what

1445
00:57:59,520 --> 00:57:58,270
data were gonna show because I think

1446
00:58:01,200 --> 00:57:59,530
there's something to that because that's

1447
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:01,210
when I had gotten sick right after that

1448
00:58:04,830 --> 00:58:03,130
for a very long period of time so I

1449
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:04,840
think there's going to be some

1450
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:05,920
interesting stuff that's gonna come on

1451
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:11,890
to that so yeah just really quickly like

1452
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:14,710
some of stuff that you see I'm hoping

1453
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:16,450
that the members of the occupants will

1454
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:17,920
remember some of the things that have

1455
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:18,970
already taken place I mean

1456
00:58:23,849 --> 00:58:20,890
right there in episode 2 we have those

1457
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:23,859
guys come out and do a sweep safety was

1458
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,490
a huge concern I mean the liability

1459
00:58:32,910 --> 00:58:29,920
waivers we had to sign or unreal safety

1460
00:58:34,829 --> 00:58:32,920
was a huge concern and one and so

1461
00:58:38,579 --> 00:58:34,839
obviously we're gonna take every step we

1462
00:58:40,050 --> 00:58:38,589
can to ensure safety of the not only us

1463
00:58:41,730 --> 00:58:40,060
but the crews and everybody that's out

1464
00:58:43,410 --> 00:58:41,740
there so these guys that came out and

1465
00:58:43,859 --> 00:58:43,420
swept through radiation and into the

1466
00:58:48,329 --> 00:58:43,869
ahrefs

1467
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:48,339
sweep they come out and they they sweep

1468
00:58:54,690 --> 00:58:53,050
these places that we really honed in 512

1469
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:54,700
acres is a lot so what we did is we

1470
00:59:00,059 --> 00:58:57,130
identified the places that we were going

1471
00:59:03,089 --> 00:59:00,069
to be focused on and though we really

1472
00:59:04,620 --> 00:59:03,099
did those doe bin and and it does

1473
00:59:06,930 --> 00:59:04,630
thoroughly to make sure it's gonna be

1474
00:59:09,059 --> 00:59:06,940
safe to be there so when you see the

1475
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:09,069
things that are coming up you know and

1476
00:59:12,780 --> 00:59:11,050
and some of the events that are taking

1477
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:12,790
place it's important to remember that we

1478
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,369
got a clean bill of health on this you

1479
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:17,200
know there's been a lot of mention about

1480
00:59:22,890 --> 00:59:20,290
radiation in the soils and I've seen a

1481
00:59:24,270 --> 00:59:22,900
lot of comments and questions about that

1482
00:59:26,460 --> 00:59:24,280
kind of stuff it's important to remember

1483
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:26,470
we actually came in and tested it and we

1484
00:59:31,050 --> 00:59:28,000
got a clean bill on it we didn't pick up

1485
00:59:33,630 --> 00:59:31,060
anything that was abnormal or dangerous

1486
00:59:35,609 --> 00:59:33,640
when it came to radiation so if you if

1487
00:59:38,579 --> 00:59:35,619
you see things in future like episode 5

1488
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:38,589
they tease that just remember it wasn't

1489
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:42,010
there when they tested right so it goes

1490
00:59:46,349 --> 00:59:45,310
back to the transient yeah point so I'm

1491
00:59:47,490 --> 00:59:46,359
glad you know they said you know the

1492
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:47,500
questions that come up so let's just go

1493
00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:49,510
into the viewer questions I mean we have

1494
00:59:53,339 --> 00:59:51,369
a ton of them

1495
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:53,349
I mean if we'll just kind of rapid-fire

1496
00:59:58,589 --> 00:59:56,319
just read them off Thomas and and you

1497
01:00:02,010 --> 00:59:58,599
know obviously Jake Jason Maureen chime

1498
01:00:04,410 --> 01:00:02,020
in at any point like you know elaborate

1499
01:00:06,059 --> 01:00:04,420
on them whatever but it seriously

1500
01:00:08,430 --> 01:00:06,069
I think through the course of our

1501
01:00:10,650 --> 01:00:08,440
discussion already I think he's never

1502
01:00:12,690 --> 01:00:10,660
sorry knocked a lot of them out yeah for

1503
01:00:14,579 --> 01:00:12,700
sure yeah exactly and and we knew it was

1504
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:14,589
gonna happen I mean there's some we'll

1505
01:00:18,030 --> 01:00:16,510
be able to to kind of go gloss over

1506
01:00:20,940 --> 01:00:18,040
because you've already you've already

1507
01:00:23,010 --> 01:00:20,950
answered the so let me just go right

1508
01:00:26,430 --> 01:00:23,020
into it I mean we kind of compiled them

1509
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:26,440
from the email people submitted via

1510
01:00:31,170 --> 01:00:29,410
email in the Facebook group as well

1511
01:00:32,790 --> 01:00:31,180
they'll put things in the comments we'll

1512
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:32,800
get some from YouTube

1513
01:00:37,590 --> 01:00:34,510
in the comments section and on Twitter

1514
01:00:39,210 --> 01:00:37,600
so please keep them coming especially

1515
01:00:40,770 --> 01:00:39,220
these next couple of weeks so since

1516
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:40,780
we're off for a week we're gonna try to

1517
01:00:44,430 --> 01:00:42,610
take a lot of questions

1518
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:44,440
it's science related so that we can

1519
01:00:49,410 --> 01:00:47,530
maybe have Eric on for two episodes

1520
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:49,420
which would be great because it would

1521
01:00:55,350 --> 01:00:51,370
give people some real in-depth answers

1522
01:00:58,680 --> 01:00:55,360
and if you know Eric Eric well he loves

1523
01:01:01,290 --> 01:00:58,690
to go into detail and stuff and he

1524
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:01,300
always puts these great analogies to

1525
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:04,330
things that kind of make concepts click

1526
01:01:08,130 --> 01:01:05,920
in your head I mean Thomas you know this

1527
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:08,140
like he just has a great way of speaking

1528
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:10,720
to you so I'm the science related stuff

1529
01:01:13,710 --> 01:01:12,010
we'll be able to you know please just

1530
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:13,720
keep them coming and I will get to them

1531
01:01:20,450 --> 01:01:16,570
but so Thomas let's go to the first few

1532
01:01:23,340 --> 01:01:20,460
from emails here so we have we have

1533
01:01:25,890 --> 01:01:23,350
right off the bat has any attempt been

1534
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:25,900
made this is from Jordan via email has

1535
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:27,250
any attempt made to contact the

1536
01:01:32,940 --> 01:01:29,680
phenomenon rather than the passive

1537
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:32,950
studying by science observation so there

1538
01:01:41,010 --> 01:01:38,650
any more attempts at contect so starting

1539
01:01:43,340 --> 01:01:41,020
in two dead I'm just gonna say that

1540
01:01:46,410 --> 01:01:43,350
Brandon has been very methodical in his

1541
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:46,420
approach to this so I remember sitting

1542
01:01:51,210 --> 01:01:48,010
in his office for the first time his

1543
01:01:52,650 --> 01:01:51,220
instructions to us were all we all we

1544
01:01:55,470 --> 01:01:52,660
inherited was a narrative we didn't get

1545
01:01:57,810 --> 01:01:55,480
actual data and so his first instruction

1546
01:01:59,820 --> 01:01:57,820
was I I want to make as minimal of an

1547
01:02:01,800 --> 01:01:59,830
impact as possible on this place and I

1548
01:02:04,350 --> 01:02:01,810
just want to observe and we spent like

1549
01:02:07,050 --> 01:02:04,360
the first 12 or 14 months where we we

1550
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:07,060
tried to just be very very light-footed

1551
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:10,690
and just observed and then and the whole

1552
01:02:14,310 --> 01:02:12,310
purpose was is there really something

1553
01:02:16,740 --> 01:02:14,320
here is this is the you know a whole

1554
01:02:20,190 --> 01:02:16,750
bunch of tales once we established that

1555
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:20,200
yes we are observing some unexplainable

1556
01:02:26,940 --> 01:02:23,170
events then then we started into the

1557
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:26,950
methodical okay what is an end and so

1558
01:02:31,890 --> 01:02:29,050
and I want to speak to this actually for

1559
01:02:33,810 --> 01:02:31,900
a second this is important sure you know

1560
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:33,820
Brandon's done very well for himself he

1561
01:02:38,010 --> 01:02:35,920
said he is a great businessman he's

1562
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:38,020
wealthy and sometimes people get the

1563
01:02:41,340 --> 01:02:39,280
idea that well he's got all this money

1564
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:41,350
like why are you guys out there using

1565
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:45,850
ten tin cans well Brandon is

1566
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:47,290
he's not just gonna open up the

1567
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:49,930
pocketbook and go by $100,000 spectrum

1568
01:02:55,740 --> 01:02:51,310
analyzer right off the bat because we

1569
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:55,750
don't even know looking for so what I

1570
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:58,000
remember when we first went to did the

1571
01:03:01,200 --> 01:02:59,680
album we actually I think the first

1572
01:03:03,420 --> 01:03:01,210
thing that we bought was like a cheap

1573
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:03,430
five hundred dollar Costco surveillance

1574
01:03:08,940 --> 01:03:06,250
camera because we didn't want to invest

1575
01:03:10,110 --> 01:03:08,950
160 thousand dollars in the camera we

1576
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:10,120
don't even know that there's something

1577
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:12,400
to pick up besides butterflies and cows

1578
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:17,410
so we went so and and Eric Eric could

1579
01:03:20,010 --> 01:03:18,880
speak to this more but some people are

1580
01:03:21,810 --> 01:03:20,020
like oh you've got this billionaire

1581
01:03:24,090 --> 01:03:21,820
backing you why don't you why don't you

1582
01:03:25,260 --> 01:03:24,100
have all this expensive equipment he's

1583
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:25,270
wealthy because he's smart with his

1584
01:03:30,510 --> 01:03:27,130
money and he's been very methodical as

1585
01:03:32,970 --> 01:03:30,520
he lets the data guide the checkbook and

1586
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:32,980
so as we pick things up then he's like

1587
01:03:36,330 --> 01:03:34,930
okay we can't be using this little piece

1588
01:03:38,610 --> 01:03:36,340
of junk anymore we're obviously picking

1589
01:03:40,740 --> 01:03:38,620
something up let's go big and let's buy

1590
01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:40,750
something that's good and so if people

1591
01:03:46,170 --> 01:03:44,080
see something and and season one I tell

1592
01:03:47,310 --> 01:03:46,180
people you go to the hospital and you go

1593
01:03:48,990 --> 01:03:47,320
into the emergency room they don't

1594
01:03:51,060 --> 01:03:49,000
automatically roll you down for a cat

1595
01:03:53,850 --> 01:03:51,070
scan nourish comes in takes your

1596
01:03:56,220 --> 01:03:53,860
temperature gets your blood pressure get

1597
01:03:58,050 --> 01:03:56,230
your vitals before they determine what

1598
01:03:59,580 --> 01:03:58,060
further tests are gonna require and it's

1599
01:04:01,950 --> 01:03:59,590
important member we're in season one of

1600
01:04:04,650 --> 01:04:01,960
this we're just getting the vitals and

1601
01:04:06,270 --> 01:04:04,660
so if it seems like man you guys aren't

1602
01:04:07,410 --> 01:04:06,280
following up you're not moving out while

1603
01:04:09,180 --> 01:04:07,420
we're taking the temperature we're

1604
01:04:10,980 --> 01:04:09,190
getting the blood pressure and after

1605
01:04:13,500 --> 01:04:10,990
we've done all of this then we take a

1606
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:13,510
look and we say okay where do we want to

1607
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:16,450
allocate our resources our time or money

1608
01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:20,050
our bandwidth to calm to further studies

1609
01:04:23,490 --> 01:04:21,760
so as people are watching the show and

1610
01:04:26,180 --> 01:04:23,500
it seems like man they're not following

1611
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:26,190
up with that scene Koller or with the

1612
01:04:30,030 --> 01:04:28,960
the thing under the house and it's one

1613
01:04:31,650 --> 01:04:30,040
of the reasons why I won't be careful

1614
01:04:34,380 --> 01:04:31,660
about collaborating too much on stuff

1615
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:34,390
because we will probably circle back on

1616
01:04:41,490 --> 01:04:36,730
some of this stuff thank you that was

1617
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:41,500
that's really good a little sensitive

1618
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:42,880
because Eric's like eric has been

1619
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:45,760
criticized before are you work for a

1620
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:47,770
billionaire and you're getting that that

1621
01:04:51,540 --> 01:04:50,290
equipment right there he's like just

1622
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:51,550
because he's billionaire doesn't mean

1623
01:04:56,730 --> 01:04:54,880
like Eric I remember Eric when Brant is

1624
01:04:59,579 --> 01:04:56,740
like what camera system like Eric is the

1625
01:05:01,440 --> 01:04:59,589
most detailed guy he litter

1626
01:05:03,539 --> 01:05:01,450
we will spend an entire week going

1627
01:05:05,249 --> 01:05:03,549
through every thing - and then he

1628
01:05:07,799 --> 01:05:05,259
submits it and it's like well this

1629
01:05:09,660 --> 01:05:07,809
camera right here it's 250,000 it's like

1630
01:05:12,329 --> 01:05:09,670
yeah we're gonna start cheaper and work

1631
01:05:14,219 --> 01:05:12,339
our way up and when we know so to Eric's

1632
01:05:16,499 --> 01:05:14,229
credit he does know what he's talking

1633
01:05:18,479 --> 01:05:16,509
about and if you see us using like tin

1634
01:05:20,690 --> 01:05:18,489
cans to try to get a signal thing

1635
01:05:22,589 --> 01:05:20,700
there's a reason for it

1636
01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:22,599
excellent no I'm glad you cleared that

1637
01:05:26,999 --> 01:05:24,249
up I mean kind of laying it out to

1638
01:05:28,259 --> 01:05:27,009
people you know again I can't stress

1639
01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:28,269
enough these are real people like the

1640
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:30,249
team these are got these are not actors

1641
01:05:34,019 --> 01:05:31,690
these are real people these are their

1642
01:05:35,870 --> 01:05:34,029
jobs this is what they do so it's not I

1643
01:05:40,170 --> 01:05:35,880
just don't know how to get that across

1644
01:05:41,809 --> 01:05:40,180
any more and you know you did touch on

1645
01:05:43,709 --> 01:05:41,819
something and I want to say the

1646
01:05:45,450 --> 01:05:43,719
liability waiver that you had to sign

1647
01:05:48,930 --> 01:05:45,460
like so in all my years of production I

1648
01:05:51,660 --> 01:05:48,940
have never had to sign anything so

1649
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:51,670
comprehensive that also covered the

1650
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:54,160
unknown and not force majeure not you

1651
01:05:58,259 --> 01:05:55,839
know act of God I mean you're talking

1652
01:06:00,269 --> 01:05:58,269
about like yeah so we're not liable if

1653
01:06:01,739 --> 01:06:00,279
you know you get abducted or something

1654
01:06:03,329 --> 01:06:01,749
comes down from the sky or you know get

1655
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:03,339
possessed by some kind of spirit yeah

1656
01:06:13,410 --> 01:06:11,680
sorry you're on your own no I mean it's

1657
01:06:15,690 --> 01:06:13,420
a liability if there is some sort of

1658
01:06:17,789 --> 01:06:15,700
wolf attack that there's been reported

1659
01:06:20,219 --> 01:06:17,799
on the property and then it happens to

1660
01:06:22,410 --> 01:06:20,229
you that's you you're walking into it

1661
01:06:23,459 --> 01:06:22,420
knowing full aware that something weird

1662
01:06:25,229 --> 01:06:23,469
is going to happen to you so that's

1663
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:25,239
that's your own damn fault and there's

1664
01:06:30,569 --> 01:06:28,329
history at that location of just that

1665
01:06:33,479 --> 01:06:30,579
happening right so I mean there's

1666
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:33,489
already precedent set for I mean it

1667
01:06:37,079 --> 01:06:34,960
makes sense it's very smart on their

1668
01:06:38,339 --> 01:06:37,089
part no it is Brad made that gun brain

1669
01:06:39,420 --> 01:06:38,349
he's really smart with what he does like

1670
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:39,430
he's smart with his money he knows how

1671
01:06:43,049 --> 01:06:41,049
to protect himself and but if anyone's

1672
01:06:44,459 --> 01:06:43,059
listening that gives an assurance that

1673
01:06:47,069 --> 01:06:44,469
does this I'd love to know more about

1674
01:06:49,410 --> 01:06:47,079
that please how do you insure someone

1675
01:06:52,140 --> 01:06:49,420
for for you know paranormal I'd love to

1676
01:06:55,380 --> 01:06:52,150
know that enter but to the point that

1677
01:06:58,170 --> 01:06:55,390
you know you're just making about having

1678
01:07:00,959 --> 01:06:58,180
this wealthy individual with the company

1679
01:07:03,299 --> 01:07:00,969
you know Maureen and I had to deal with

1680
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:03,309
the frustration of public comment

1681
01:07:07,410 --> 01:07:05,529
comments and ridicule like that with the

1682
01:07:09,239 --> 01:07:07,420
company that we helped start called open

1683
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:09,249
minds it was focused on UFOs and

1684
01:07:12,410 --> 01:07:11,200
extraterrestrials we had wealthy

1685
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:12,420
individual who was

1686
01:07:15,860 --> 01:07:13,650
the owner of that company started that

1687
01:07:19,550 --> 01:07:15,870
company and we were the ones making the

1688
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:19,560
decisions putting together items to buy

1689
01:07:24,500 --> 01:07:21,690
cameras and equipment and things like

1690
01:07:26,030 --> 01:07:24,510
that and we had to be very careful it

1691
01:07:28,940 --> 01:07:26,040
was always a you know sort of a delicate

1692
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:28,950
balance of trying to get equipment that

1693
01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:32,400
would be good enough to start you know

1694
01:07:37,940 --> 01:07:35,160
any sort of tasks we were doing before

1695
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:37,950
jumping to something grand yeah we would

1696
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:40,170
lay out these detailed proposals and say

1697
01:07:46,910 --> 01:07:43,770
look here's the gear we need to be good

1698
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:46,920
enough and you know just because he had

1699
01:07:50,450 --> 01:07:48,450
money didn't mean he was going to just

1700
01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:50,460
sign checks he wanted justification and

1701
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:52,110
he wanted to know that it was going to

1702
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:54,330
be you know worth his his money and

1703
01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:56,250
spending it on what seemed like stuff

1704
01:08:01,160 --> 01:07:58,170
that we were just having fun with yeah

1705
01:08:03,890 --> 01:08:01,170
there was definitely a lot of like we do

1706
01:08:06,170 --> 01:08:03,900
YouTube videos and always they send us

1707
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:06,180
messages about why don't I don't

1708
01:08:09,950 --> 01:08:07,710
understand why you're not paying to send

1709
01:08:12,650 --> 01:08:09,960
me equipment so I can do this real I'm

1710
01:08:14,990 --> 01:08:12,660
seeing real UFOs and you'll see them all

1711
01:08:17,690 --> 01:08:15,000
the time so it's not gonna stop we dealt

1712
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:17,700
with it for eight years straight of

1713
01:08:22,730 --> 01:08:20,850
these kind of comments and and and then

1714
01:08:26,450 --> 01:08:22,740
having the frustration to of sometimes

1715
01:08:28,310 --> 01:08:26,460
really fancy toys got bought without you

1716
01:08:29,660 --> 01:08:28,320
know that we didn't necessarily know

1717
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:29,670
where need and then we never got to play

1718
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:30,960
with them because they just sat sat

1719
01:08:37,190 --> 01:08:34,640
around it at least

1720
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:37,200
brandon is fantastic like I've never

1721
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:40,290
seen him say no if it's if if it's like

1722
01:08:45,380 --> 01:08:43,290
data like he is he's Brandon's willing

1723
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:45,390
to spend whatever takes get the bottom

1724
01:08:48,290 --> 01:08:45,810
of this

1725
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:48,300
as long as it's justified so I mean you

1726
01:08:52,310 --> 01:08:50,730
can break that way but very transparent

1727
01:08:55,130 --> 01:08:52,320
and you know taking us along for the

1728
01:08:57,650 --> 01:08:55,140
ride so let's go listen to you so one of

1729
01:08:59,240 --> 01:08:57,660
the questions for Twitter this and again

1730
01:09:02,000 --> 01:08:59,250
and I love these questions from younger

1731
01:09:04,250 --> 01:09:02,010
viewers so we have a science question

1732
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:04,260
from someone writes in a science

1733
01:09:10,820 --> 01:09:07,920
question from my 15 year old it's now

1734
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:10,830
this is from a 15 year old the question

1735
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:13,890
is do you think that the unusual amount

1736
01:09:18,650 --> 01:09:16,050
of radiation on skinwalker ranch is

1737
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:18,660
caused by the radioactive decay of large

1738
01:09:23,750 --> 01:09:21,930
amounts of radioisotopes if so what

1739
01:09:25,769 --> 01:09:23,760
element would you hypothesize the

1740
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:25,779
isotopes are of

1741
01:09:31,919 --> 01:09:29,409
from a fifteen-year-old Tommy says yeah

1742
01:09:33,660 --> 01:09:31,929
that's awesome

1743
01:09:35,519 --> 01:09:33,670
so I'll just answer again and just say

1744
01:09:37,410 --> 01:09:35,529
you know we swept the ranch and we

1745
01:09:41,490 --> 01:09:37,420
didn't pick up any radiation in that

1746
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:41,500
sweep so if if we're just gonna say if

1747
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:42,730
in the future we happen to pick

1748
01:09:46,519 --> 01:09:44,319
something like that up in a future

1749
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:48,479
obviously we need to investigate that

1750
01:09:53,459 --> 01:09:50,770
further but as far as picking up any

1751
01:09:54,959 --> 01:09:53,469
radiation on the ranch period we didn't

1752
01:09:57,089 --> 01:09:54,969
we didn't gather any of that which

1753
01:09:59,520 --> 01:09:57,099
surprised me because we did have a lot

1754
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:59,530
of downwind fallout when they did the

1755
01:10:04,140 --> 01:10:00,880
test so I would have expected to at

1756
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:04,150
least cease you know some but okay I

1757
01:10:06,689 --> 01:10:05,920
mean you know there's a lot there's a

1758
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:06,699
lot of time left

1759
01:10:13,859 --> 01:10:10,480
yeah not a lot more study do yes stay

1760
01:10:16,290 --> 01:10:13,869
tuned so then there's this and this I

1761
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:16,300
found really interesting this the next

1762
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:18,159
question also comes from Twitter from

1763
01:10:24,109 --> 01:10:22,090
Tara or Tara as she asks I'm curious

1764
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:24,119
about the behavior of birds on the ranch

1765
01:10:28,979 --> 01:10:26,650
anything notable or unusual in that

1766
01:10:29,660 --> 01:10:28,989
geographical area as compared to other

1767
01:10:31,620 --> 01:10:29,670
regions

1768
01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:31,630
how would you know of anything anything

1769
01:10:39,299 --> 01:10:35,110
about that yeah so we've actually had

1770
01:10:43,049 --> 01:10:39,309
numerous events or planning with birds

1771
01:10:44,729 --> 01:10:43,059
matter of fact there's a picture that's

1772
01:10:46,410 --> 01:10:44,739
big used several times in the episodes

1773
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:46,420
it shows Brandon setting in the trees

1774
01:10:53,490 --> 01:10:50,050
holding up a Trifield meter I believe it

1775
01:10:57,149 --> 01:10:53,500
was actually that event that we're

1776
01:10:59,279 --> 01:10:57,159
standing in the where punky and the

1777
01:11:02,850 --> 01:10:59,289
birds are chirping and all of a sudden

1778
01:11:04,979 --> 01:11:02,860
they go crazy and then the the RF spike

1779
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:04,989
hits on the meter and we have observed

1780
01:11:10,919 --> 01:11:07,570
that now numerous times I was over

1781
01:11:13,950 --> 01:11:10,929
homestead to tending water at one point

1782
01:11:15,390 --> 01:11:13,960
and the crow there was probably two or

1783
01:11:17,729 --> 01:11:15,400
three hundred crows out there in the

1784
01:11:21,629 --> 01:11:17,739
trees just squawking going crazy and

1785
01:11:23,850 --> 01:11:21,639
then there again they they increase in

1786
01:11:26,129 --> 01:11:23,860
volume and they go dead silent and it's

1787
01:11:28,500 --> 01:11:26,139
all corresponding with what what's going

1788
01:11:31,020 --> 01:11:28,510
on with the Trifield meter so something

1789
01:11:33,390 --> 01:11:31,030
there with the birds there again another

1790
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:33,400
biosensor picking up what's going on

1791
01:11:39,070 --> 01:11:35,650
through the air but absolutely we have

1792
01:11:40,690 --> 01:11:39,080
we have multiple events where we can

1793
01:11:42,810 --> 01:11:40,700
directly coordinate like the birds

1794
01:11:44,710 --> 01:11:42,820
either stop chirping or started chirping

1795
01:11:46,180 --> 01:11:44,720
corresponding with the readings that

1796
01:11:48,010 --> 01:11:46,190
we're getting on the trifle the spikes

1797
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:48,020
what's a Trifield can you tell us what

1798
01:11:51,460 --> 01:11:49,040
the Trifield meter is for those

1799
01:11:52,780 --> 01:11:51,470
listening until now yes so the Trifield

1800
01:11:54,430 --> 01:11:52,790
meters that we use they actually have

1801
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:54,440
numerous settings but a lot of times we

1802
01:11:59,800 --> 01:11:56,960
just click it over to radio frequencies

1803
01:12:02,410 --> 01:11:59,810
and so it's it's just scanning across

1804
01:12:04,180 --> 01:12:02,420
all of the radio frequencies and it's

1805
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:04,190
just giving us a reading as to whether

1806
01:12:09,700 --> 01:12:07,730
there's there's RF radio frequency in

1807
01:12:11,650 --> 01:12:09,710
the area and it measures the level of

1808
01:12:13,930 --> 01:12:11,660
that and you know your cell phone puts

1809
01:12:15,310 --> 01:12:13,940
it off it's kind of cool if you put it

1810
01:12:18,190 --> 01:12:15,320
up by you're close to your cell phone

1811
01:12:19,540 --> 01:12:18,200
and you send a text it'll spike so

1812
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:19,550
anything that's putting off a radio

1813
01:12:25,390 --> 01:12:21,890
signal whether it's a cell phone or

1814
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:25,400
Wi-Fi anything will will cause that RF

1815
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:27,530
or Trifield meter which is measuring our

1816
01:12:33,310 --> 01:12:31,520
app pick that up awesome know anything

1817
01:12:34,930 --> 01:12:33,320
about the the reason that was curious

1818
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:34,940
about the birds because of magnetism I

1819
01:12:39,630 --> 01:12:37,520
know aren't Birds attracted isn't that

1820
01:12:41,890 --> 01:12:39,640
how they do their their migrations I

1821
01:12:44,890 --> 01:12:41,900
mean don't they use magnetism to find

1822
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:44,900
things and to navigate does anyone know

1823
01:12:52,690 --> 01:12:50,210
that no magnetic poles that they base

1824
01:12:55,180 --> 01:12:52,700
their migration patterns on okay you

1825
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:55,190
know that's why i curious yeah the

1826
01:12:58,600 --> 01:12:56,810
magnetism if there's any because of the

1827
01:13:01,000 --> 01:12:58,610
magnetic anomalies that you know that

1828
01:13:02,380 --> 01:13:01,010
have supposedly occurred there that you

1829
01:13:06,460 --> 01:13:02,390
know will get to the bottom of at some

1830
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:06,470
point I'm sure now we have the next it

1831
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:08,480
says oh and this Thomas I think this is

1832
01:13:14,770 --> 01:13:10,880
gonna be something you know we're gonna

1833
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:14,780
want to address because people have

1834
01:13:18,610 --> 01:13:15,770
asked you and you've shared it online

1835
01:13:20,620 --> 01:13:18,620
about being followed home with

1836
01:13:23,620 --> 01:13:20,630
hitchhikers so someone from Kent a Ken

1837
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:23,630
from Twitter asks Tom my question is why

1838
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:25,370
do you think something follows people

1839
01:13:28,990 --> 01:13:27,410
home after they visit what do you think

1840
01:13:30,580 --> 01:13:29,000
that is and that kind of goes into just

1841
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:30,590
keep going that goes into somebody else

1842
01:13:34,780 --> 01:13:33,010
asking you know about your hitchhiking

1843
01:13:37,090 --> 01:13:34,790
experience stories because you don't

1844
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:37,100
really they've got a few of them so the

1845
01:13:40,330 --> 01:13:38,480
question why do you think people

1846
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:40,340
something follows people home after they

1847
01:13:43,210 --> 01:13:41,930
visit and what do you think it is and

1848
01:13:46,570 --> 01:13:43,220
then can you tell us a little bit about

1849
01:13:50,050 --> 01:13:46,580
your other hitchhiker stories Cheryl

1850
01:13:52,330 --> 01:13:50,060
yeah I think out of everything this is

1851
01:13:56,109 --> 01:13:52,340
the one that drives me the most crazy

1852
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:56,119
and it's because psychology is one of my

1853
01:14:00,910 --> 01:13:58,130
favorite paths I mean it's it's one of

1854
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:00,920
my passions and you start diving in and

1855
01:14:09,820 --> 01:14:04,400
you start thinking you know you've got

1856
01:14:11,919 --> 01:14:09,830
your your change blindness you know you

1857
01:14:13,780 --> 01:14:11,929
go buy a white Jeep Cherokee and the

1858
01:14:16,510 --> 01:14:13,790
next day suddenly everybody else bought

1859
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:16,520
one too right you just you didn't notice

1860
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:20,239
it before you bought one and and so I

1861
01:14:24,820 --> 01:14:22,130
look back and this is the part that

1862
01:14:26,890 --> 01:14:24,830
drives me crazy is this like is it that

1863
01:14:29,140 --> 01:14:26,900
I didn't have these experiences before I

1864
01:14:31,930 --> 01:14:29,150
started on the ranch or is it simply

1865
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:31,940
that I had I I got on the ranch and I

1866
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:35,090
started to become more observant to that

1867
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:37,040
type of activity so therefore it pick it

1868
01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:40,880
up people that have an experience is it

1869
01:14:44,500 --> 01:14:42,710
just that now there reticular activating

1870
01:14:46,839 --> 01:14:44,510
system is now letting that through and

1871
01:14:48,850 --> 01:14:46,849
they're now observing it it was there

1872
01:14:51,339 --> 01:14:48,860
the whole time but they they didn't see

1873
01:14:54,700 --> 01:14:51,349
it before so that's the part that drives

1874
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:54,710
me nuts is that I really go back and

1875
01:14:58,570 --> 01:14:57,170
forth and I'm like is it just I didn't

1876
01:15:00,280 --> 01:14:58,580
notice it before the ranch and then I

1877
01:15:03,189 --> 01:15:00,290
start working on the ranch and I start

1878
01:15:05,919 --> 01:15:03,199
noticing it or did it really uptick and

1879
01:15:09,780 --> 01:15:05,929
that being said there are a few

1880
01:15:15,070 --> 01:15:09,790
incidents that have happened at my home

1881
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:15,080
that I can honestly say it never

1882
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:17,449
happened before I became associated with

1883
01:15:22,510 --> 01:15:20,810
ranch now I shared that with my that

1884
01:15:25,810 --> 01:15:22,520
video of my car and the windows going

1885
01:15:28,919 --> 01:15:25,820
down not to convince anybody because I

1886
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:28,929
can't prove that my key fob was on my

1887
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:32,090
nightstand I can't prove that I didn't

1888
01:15:35,919 --> 01:15:34,400
go turn the camera off and run out roll

1889
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:35,929
the windows down and run back in the

1890
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:38,210
house actually I can prove that you know

1891
01:15:42,430 --> 01:15:40,719
I actually have I have cameras on every

1892
01:15:44,379 --> 01:15:42,440
because of some things that have

1893
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:44,389
happened associated with the ranch and

1894
01:15:47,530 --> 01:15:46,250
and I'll just say that we've had some

1895
01:15:49,930 --> 01:15:47,540
scary things happen to our family I

1896
01:15:54,339 --> 01:15:49,940
refused to talk about in public just I

1897
01:15:56,859 --> 01:15:54,349
won't as far as the cameras going down

1898
01:16:00,280 --> 01:15:56,869
that is not the first time that one

1899
01:16:01,839 --> 01:16:00,290
camera I have quite a few cameras

1900
01:16:03,939 --> 01:16:01,849
positioned around the exterior of my own

1901
01:16:05,710 --> 01:16:03,949
than I have I have several cameras

1902
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:05,720
inside my house that are pointed

1903
01:16:16,060 --> 01:16:13,990
for that purpose so well you know I

1904
01:16:17,530 --> 01:16:16,070
actually can prove that I never went out

1905
01:16:19,540 --> 01:16:17,540
and rolled the windows because I had

1906
01:16:22,060 --> 01:16:19,550
cameras on my all the entrances and

1907
01:16:23,470 --> 01:16:22,070
exits s of my home and I can prove that

1908
01:16:26,230 --> 01:16:23,480
nobody went in or out of the house

1909
01:16:29,530 --> 01:16:26,240
during that time period now it is

1910
01:16:31,060 --> 01:16:29,540
possible like and this way one things I

1911
01:16:33,310 --> 01:16:31,070
love about sharing it I didn't know

1912
01:16:35,470 --> 01:16:33,320
about that feature where I could just

1913
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:35,480
hold like the car has a built-in feature

1914
01:16:39,250 --> 01:16:37,280
where if you hold the key fob the alone

1915
01:16:41,250 --> 01:16:39,260
unlock button for like three or four

1916
01:16:46,860 --> 01:16:41,260
seconds all the windows will roll down

1917
01:16:49,180 --> 01:16:46,870
so that's actually not like that

1918
01:16:51,130 --> 01:16:49,190
far-fetched for her to believe Marvin

1919
01:16:53,650 --> 01:16:51,140
yeah it could happen right the only

1920
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:53,660
thing is I only have one key fob and I

1921
01:16:58,210 --> 01:16:55,280
won't say you know I'm not gonna go into

1922
01:17:00,010 --> 01:16:58,220
it but I can assure you you was not in

1923
01:17:02,590 --> 01:17:00,020
my pocket it was sitting on the

1924
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:02,600
nightstand I I know exactly what I was

1925
01:17:07,690 --> 01:17:05,840
doing during that time frame I jumped in

1926
01:17:10,690 --> 01:17:07,700
the shower like I did not have the key

1927
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:10,700
fob on me I can assure you so something

1928
01:17:14,230 --> 01:17:12,650
still has to account but what we're

1929
01:17:16,270 --> 01:17:14,240
seeing out on the ranch there's so much

1930
01:17:17,530 --> 01:17:16,280
has to do with RF that's all we're

1931
01:17:20,590 --> 01:17:17,540
seeing with the key fob is it's just

1932
01:17:22,450 --> 01:17:20,600
sending a frequency to the car to tell

1933
01:17:24,430 --> 01:17:22,460
it to roll down the windows so the car

1934
01:17:26,500 --> 01:17:24,440
has that feature but I did not activate

1935
01:17:29,740 --> 01:17:26,510
the feature so where did it come from

1936
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:29,750
and then why did just that one camera on

1937
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:32,090
the car none of the other cameras in my

1938
01:17:38,260 --> 01:17:34,610
home not a single one even so much as

1939
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:38,270
glitch during that time frame and and so

1940
01:17:42,670 --> 01:17:40,610
only the camera facing the car goes down

1941
01:17:44,860 --> 01:17:42,680
for those few minutes and when it comes

1942
01:17:47,010 --> 01:17:44,870
back up the windows are down that's not

1943
01:17:49,870 --> 01:17:47,020
the only time that that has happened I

1944
01:17:52,210 --> 01:17:49,880
we had a serious incident happen in our

1945
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:52,220
home that resulted in us actually having

1946
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:56,330
to call authorities and coincidentally

1947
01:18:03,430 --> 01:17:59,360
enough the very place that that took

1948
01:18:07,210 --> 01:18:03,440
place in my yard that particular camera

1949
01:18:09,460 --> 01:18:07,220
was down for a few minutes prior to that

1950
01:18:12,220 --> 01:18:09,470
event taking place and and those kind of

1951
01:18:15,940 --> 01:18:12,230
things are ones that scare the hell out

1952
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:15,950
of me frankly and and I won't talk about

1953
01:18:23,050 --> 01:18:20,320
them because there's a lot there

1954
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:23,060
when you fail insurance companies and

1955
01:18:26,500 --> 01:18:24,650
all kinds of stuff I just don't want to

1956
01:18:28,090 --> 01:18:26,510
go there right like but I will say that

1957
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:28,100
that's not the first time these cameras

1958
01:18:33,340 --> 01:18:30,410
have gone down and they correspond with

1959
01:18:37,060 --> 01:18:33,350
other events that I can prove wasn't any

1960
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:37,070
of us and so that starts to you start to

1961
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:38,330
look at that and say well what's going

1962
01:18:42,100 --> 01:18:40,640
on here and why did that happen I didn't

1963
01:18:45,250 --> 01:18:42,110
have these things happen before they

1964
01:18:49,060 --> 01:18:45,260
started working on the ranch my my life

1965
01:18:50,860 --> 01:18:49,070
was actually pretty I'm a businessman I

1966
01:18:53,170 --> 01:18:50,870
was president Rotary Club and president

1967
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:53,180
of a non-profit humanitarian you know

1968
01:18:57,850 --> 01:18:55,280
international humanitarian I was just a

1969
01:19:00,280 --> 01:18:57,860
regular person and then I start working

1970
01:19:02,140 --> 01:19:00,290
on the ranch and I entered this Twilight

1971
01:19:05,860 --> 01:19:02,150
Zone where things start happening that I

1972
01:19:08,020 --> 01:19:05,870
can't explain and you know I will share

1973
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:08,030
some of them as time goes on and my

1974
01:19:12,940 --> 01:19:11,120
point sharing them is simply a point of

1975
01:19:14,980 --> 01:19:12,950
hey this is what's happening I'm not

1976
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:14,990
here to convince people because like I

1977
01:19:20,260 --> 01:19:17,570
said there's no way to provide proof for

1978
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:20,270
some of this it's just it's it's enough

1979
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:23,930
now that I don't know what it is I do

1980
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:28,010
know that again we've had we've had I've

1981
01:19:33,010 --> 01:19:29,930
lost count the number of individuals

1982
01:19:35,170 --> 01:19:33,020
that come to the ranch I think I mean I

1983
01:19:36,850 --> 01:19:35,180
heard you mentioned before TJ that you

1984
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:36,860
have things happen after you left

1985
01:19:41,890 --> 01:19:39,770
um you start to compile the data points

1986
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:41,900
one by itself can be a coincidence maybe

1987
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:43,610
tens a coincidence you start getting up

1988
01:19:49,180 --> 01:19:47,090
to 20 and 30 and 40 you start have to

1989
01:19:51,130 --> 01:19:49,190
start saying there there's got to be

1990
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:51,140
something to this because the numbers

1991
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:53,210
are just pointing well we're getting a

1992
01:19:59,380 --> 01:19:55,370
fingerprint of something here right I

1993
01:20:00,970 --> 01:19:59,390
mean I can test a you know being some

1994
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:00,980
hitchhiker coming home with me I mean

1995
01:20:05,860 --> 01:20:03,050
back to the East Coast I have I actually

1996
01:20:07,660 --> 01:20:05,870
have video of a couple of instances that

1997
01:20:08,890 --> 01:20:07,670
I caught can i I would always get

1998
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:08,900
frustrated my entire life you know it's

1999
01:20:12,370 --> 01:20:10,370
always like I've never seen a UFO I've

2000
01:20:14,830 --> 01:20:12,380
never seen anything out of the ordinary

2001
01:20:16,270 --> 01:20:14,840
or anything like that and I would get

2002
01:20:19,020 --> 01:20:16,280
frustrated because being someone who

2003
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:19,030
works in television everybody has a

2004
01:20:24,670 --> 01:20:21,410
high-definition camera in their pocket I

2005
01:20:27,370 --> 01:20:24,680
am always frustrated as to why don't why

2006
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:27,380
are there more high quality videos and I

2007
01:20:31,570 --> 01:20:29,360
you know I was always looking up and

2008
01:20:32,860 --> 01:20:31,580
then once I went to the ranch and came

2009
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:32,870
back it was

2010
01:20:37,780 --> 01:20:34,850
it was like a light switch had been

2011
01:20:39,460 --> 01:20:37,790
flipped on and I was seeing things so

2012
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:39,470
often that I would walk around with my

2013
01:20:42,940 --> 01:20:41,840
camera in my hand and it could be like

2014
01:20:44,110 --> 01:20:42,950
you were saying well maybe it was

2015
01:20:45,820 --> 01:20:44,120
happening before and I just wasn't

2016
01:20:48,430 --> 01:20:45,830
paying attention or didn't know what to

2017
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:48,440
look for but I've seen thing I mean I'm

2018
01:20:51,700 --> 01:20:50,480
talking on 45th Street in the city in

2019
01:20:53,980 --> 01:20:51,710
New York City

2020
01:20:55,450 --> 01:20:53,990
things were multiple witnesses and video

2021
01:20:57,580 --> 01:20:55,460
and I'm like you've got to be kidding me

2022
01:21:00,520 --> 01:20:57,590
if this would have never this stuff

2023
01:21:01,870 --> 01:21:00,530
doesn't happen to me um so yeah and a

2024
01:21:03,730 --> 01:21:01,880
lot of other strange occurrences I'm

2025
01:21:06,460 --> 01:21:03,740
sure at some point I get you get to but

2026
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:06,470
I there's something something I don't

2027
01:21:10,150 --> 01:21:08,510
know like tronic I'll just share you

2028
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:10,160
know they asked for additional and I and

2029
01:21:15,580 --> 01:21:12,770
I said I have many I do I'll just say if

2030
01:21:17,170 --> 01:21:15,590
I was to group them into I didn't know

2031
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:17,180
my car this capability because I find

2032
01:21:23,860 --> 01:21:19,570
out is it could just be a simple RF

2033
01:21:26,220 --> 01:21:23,870
anomaly right even the camera that that

2034
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:26,230
could be the things that have happened

2035
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:29,360
there could be a logical explanation for

2036
01:21:33,940 --> 01:21:31,760
every single one of them but we have had

2037
01:21:34,900 --> 01:21:33,950
our televisions turn themselves on in

2038
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:34,910
the middle of the night and have

2039
01:21:39,310 --> 01:21:37,370
messages scroll across the screen we've

2040
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:39,320
had our phones taken where we use

2041
01:21:44,220 --> 01:21:41,570
control of them and they just start they

2042
01:21:48,250 --> 01:21:44,230
start doing all kinds of weird stuff

2043
01:21:50,260 --> 01:21:48,260
we've had like our electronic devices I

2044
01:21:53,020 --> 01:21:50,270
sometimes I feel like we're transformers

2045
01:21:55,090 --> 01:21:53,030
right like where all the appliances and

2046
01:21:56,290 --> 01:21:55,100
stuff start acting and behaving like

2047
01:21:59,200 --> 01:21:56,300
robots

2048
01:22:01,150 --> 01:21:59,210
so electronics in my home my kids will

2049
01:22:02,980 --> 01:22:01,160
just tell you we've just learned like

2050
01:22:06,220 --> 01:22:02,990
the abnormal is normal at our house now

2051
01:22:08,530 --> 01:22:06,230
and it all started after I started

2052
01:22:10,570 --> 01:22:08,540
working at the wrench I'm with you I

2053
01:22:12,970 --> 01:22:10,580
mean I can again the same thing I've

2054
01:22:14,770 --> 01:22:12,980
always been a tech nerd and when I came

2055
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:14,780
back from that from skinwalker

2056
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:16,010
was the first time I mean I've been

2057
01:22:20,500 --> 01:22:17,120
there multiple times with the first time

2058
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:20,510
since that first time my wife is always

2059
01:22:23,290 --> 01:22:21,920
like you know what are you doing to your

2060
01:22:24,730 --> 01:22:23,300
computer what are you doing the things

2061
01:22:26,380 --> 01:22:24,740
why is everything break when you touch

2062
01:22:28,750 --> 01:22:26,390
it I'm the guy they asked to fix things

2063
01:22:30,940 --> 01:22:28,760
or help you know programming VCR kind of

2064
01:22:32,650 --> 01:22:30,950
stuff and or fixed my computer and now

2065
01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:32,660
it's I don't want to touch anything

2066
01:22:37,630 --> 01:22:34,400
because everything I touch something

2067
01:22:39,070 --> 01:22:37,640
goes wrong so I don't know I mean Jason

2068
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:39,080
whirring please chime in here what work

2069
01:22:41,260 --> 01:22:40,490
you know have you heard of these stories

2070
01:22:43,900 --> 01:22:41,270
I mean I'm sure you've heard these

2071
01:22:46,180 --> 01:22:43,910
stories before but is it just see you

2072
01:22:46,750 --> 01:22:46,190
Walker or their other well I think

2073
01:22:49,180 --> 01:22:46,760
that's

2074
01:22:50,919 --> 01:22:49,190
general paranormal thing is and a lot of

2075
01:22:53,410 --> 01:22:50,929
people say you know be careful what you

2076
01:22:56,049 --> 01:22:53,420
do and where you go to because it could

2077
01:22:57,700 --> 01:22:56,059
follow you home and I know that's true

2078
01:23:00,700 --> 01:22:57,710
for a lot of people and and that's

2079
01:23:07,169 --> 01:23:00,710
especially in I think more tending

2080
01:23:11,529 --> 01:23:07,179
towards the ghosts realm of paranormal

2081
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:11,539
experience it is usually as happens a

2082
01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:13,250
lot and I know people it's happened to

2083
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:16,880
so and again into with the UFOs it's

2084
01:23:21,370 --> 01:23:19,250
like once you see it it once it rains it

2085
01:23:23,470 --> 01:23:21,380
pours you know and I think that that

2086
01:23:26,049 --> 01:23:23,480
goes for Jason and myself as well too

2087
01:23:27,700 --> 01:23:26,059
once we started getting more involved in

2088
01:23:29,649 --> 01:23:27,710
this field strange occurrences start

2089
01:23:32,649 --> 01:23:29,659
happening you start noticing things you

2090
01:23:35,799 --> 01:23:32,659
start seeing things more often and and

2091
01:23:37,779 --> 01:23:35,809
it's surprising and and I know certain

2092
01:23:39,970 --> 01:23:37,789
people then you look at that just seem

2093
01:23:41,740 --> 01:23:39,980
to always have a million sightings and

2094
01:23:44,020 --> 01:23:41,750
it's like what are they doing they're

2095
01:23:46,140 --> 01:23:44,030
more aware and paying attention to it

2096
01:23:48,069 --> 01:23:46,150
and and something weirds happening

2097
01:23:50,589 --> 01:23:48,079
overall and it's a really weird

2098
01:23:51,729 --> 01:23:50,599
phenomena so let's let's continue with

2099
01:23:54,009 --> 01:23:51,739
these questions i Thomas thanks for

2100
01:23:55,839 --> 01:23:54,019
sharing all that with us really you know

2101
01:23:58,180 --> 01:23:55,849
that's it was hard there's a lot of

2102
01:23:59,919 --> 01:23:58,190
scary stuff but she you know having a

2103
01:24:02,259 --> 01:23:59,929
family and everything I know it's it's

2104
01:24:07,930 --> 01:24:02,269
hard that I don't know at least for me

2105
01:24:11,290 --> 01:24:07,940
as well anyway moving on so next one oh

2106
01:24:12,910 --> 01:24:11,300
this is great and I guess we did we did

2107
01:24:14,169 --> 01:24:12,920
kind of touch on it but I gotta read

2108
01:24:19,660 --> 01:24:14,179
this because it's from a guy named mr.

2109
01:24:21,069 --> 01:24:19,670
physics Twitter yes asks did the cattle

2110
01:24:23,169 --> 01:24:21,079
witness the first rocket launch

2111
01:24:24,339 --> 01:24:23,179
could that have spooked them how did

2112
01:24:25,810 --> 01:24:24,349
their time with strange activity

2113
01:24:27,149 --> 01:24:25,820
correlate to the human activities with

2114
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:27,159
the Rockets I know we touched on it

2115
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:31,610
there's a lot we can't get into but yeah

2116
01:24:36,370 --> 01:24:33,050
you know what never mind I think we we

2117
01:24:38,109 --> 01:24:36,380
beat that one to death it was definitely

2118
01:24:40,450 --> 01:24:38,119
they were definitely acting out of the

2119
01:24:46,750 --> 01:24:40,460
ordinary yep and it was not related to

2120
01:24:47,979 --> 01:24:46,760
Rockets okay now we have the I'm trying

2121
01:24:51,009 --> 01:24:47,989
to find another one that we haven't

2122
01:24:53,649 --> 01:24:51,019
covered here oh here's a great one

2123
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:53,659
Thomas this is from unknown but the

2124
01:24:58,240 --> 01:24:56,239
question came in again this is I think

2125
01:25:00,100 --> 01:24:58,250
it's different Twitter they asked how

2126
01:25:01,959 --> 01:25:00,110
does your faith impasse

2127
01:25:08,109 --> 01:25:01,969
how you view and respond to the

2128
01:25:11,609 --> 01:25:08,119
strangeness Wow

2129
01:25:14,919 --> 01:25:11,619
I think everything that's taking place

2130
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:14,929
my injury the things I've witnessed out

2131
01:25:24,370 --> 01:25:18,320
on the ranch I've been I've always been

2132
01:25:27,729 --> 01:25:24,380
very very religious my life and the

2133
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:27,739
ranch has challenged just about every

2134
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:34,850
aspect of my belief system and I'm just

2135
01:25:42,490 --> 01:25:38,719
gonna say that that's has probably been

2136
01:25:44,939 --> 01:25:42,500
the biggest challenge for me being

2137
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:44,949
associated with the ranch is trying to

2138
01:25:50,770 --> 01:25:48,290
reconcile the the belief system that I

2139
01:25:54,370 --> 01:25:50,780
held before with the things that I see

2140
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:54,380
now and and I will say that that I've

2141
01:25:58,479 --> 01:25:57,530
actually I I feel like I've gained a lot

2142
01:26:01,540 --> 01:25:58,489
of great answers

2143
01:26:03,070 --> 01:26:01,550
it's made me grow but out of everything

2144
01:26:04,780 --> 01:26:03,080
associated with the ranch that's

2145
01:26:06,970 --> 01:26:04,790
definitely been probably the biggest

2146
01:26:10,419 --> 01:26:06,980
challenge that I have had to face is

2147
01:26:12,879 --> 01:26:10,429
he's trying to reconcile my my religious

2148
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:12,889
views and my spiritual views with some

2149
01:26:18,939 --> 01:26:16,159
other things that I've witnessed um I

2150
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:18,949
don't know what other you know but

2151
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:20,210
people have said about that in the past

2152
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:22,239
if it changes people that way

2153
01:26:30,010 --> 01:26:26,810
religiously I mean I know that you you a

2154
01:26:33,550 --> 01:26:30,020
lot of you guys are are very religious

2155
01:26:35,050 --> 01:26:33,560
and it's it's a you know when I first

2156
01:26:37,090 --> 01:26:35,060
went out there it was that was kind of

2157
01:26:39,129 --> 01:26:37,100
one of the things that was just like

2158
01:26:40,770 --> 01:26:39,139
going off in my head like here are

2159
01:26:42,490 --> 01:26:40,780
people that are you know they're

2160
01:26:46,270 --> 01:26:42,500
god-fearing people like they're they

2161
01:26:47,859 --> 01:26:46,280
practice their religious and this is

2162
01:26:49,359 --> 01:26:47,869
happening they have nothing to gain by

2163
01:26:51,310 --> 01:26:49,369
saying this stuff and nothing like

2164
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:51,320
there's no reason for people to make any

2165
01:26:55,330 --> 01:26:54,170
of this stuff up and it's kind of that's

2166
01:26:56,410 --> 01:26:55,340
the first step when you take

2167
01:26:58,899 --> 01:26:56,420
investigating something like this like

2168
01:27:02,140 --> 01:26:58,909
people you know as a television producer

2169
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:02,150
like are is this nonsense or is it real

2170
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:04,880
and you kind of identify the people and

2171
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:06,560
talking to people and interviewing

2172
01:27:11,740 --> 01:27:09,760
people you determine what is and isn't

2173
01:27:13,390 --> 01:27:11,750
you know real like your [\h__\h] you

2174
01:27:14,049 --> 01:27:13,400
have a [\h__\h] detector and either it

2175
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:14,059
goes off for a dozen

2176
01:27:17,709 --> 01:27:16,249
and if it doesn't then you can continue

2177
01:27:18,969 --> 01:27:17,719
taking steps and steps and steps and

2178
01:27:20,169 --> 01:27:18,979
then meeting you guys and finally

2179
01:27:22,419 --> 01:27:20,179
getting to know you and understanding

2180
01:27:24,279 --> 01:27:22,429
like yeah this is the most genuine these

2181
01:27:25,179 --> 01:27:24,289
were most genuine people I've ever you

2182
01:27:27,609 --> 01:27:25,189
know had the pleasure of dealing with

2183
01:27:29,259 --> 01:27:27,619
and you know here we are and it's like

2184
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:29,269
everyone else is getting to see it now

2185
01:27:34,719 --> 01:27:31,280
too and and again I appreciate you

2186
01:27:36,399 --> 01:27:34,729
sharing all this with us and I mean I

2187
01:27:37,540 --> 01:27:36,409
don't know what Jason Morgan pleased I

2188
01:27:39,489 --> 01:27:37,550
mean like what are your experiences with

2189
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:39,499
people like you know you guys interview

2190
01:27:42,159 --> 01:27:40,489
a lot of people you talk to a lot of

2191
01:27:45,579 --> 01:27:42,169
people like how how does their great the

2192
01:27:48,219 --> 01:27:45,589
impact I love their deletion in their

2193
01:27:50,049 --> 01:27:48,229
interactions of people yeah it's it's a

2194
01:27:53,109 --> 01:27:50,059
pretty normal response for anybody who

2195
01:27:55,029 --> 01:27:53,119
experiences something that they really

2196
01:27:56,919 --> 01:27:55,039
can't explain something that is out of

2197
01:27:58,569 --> 01:27:56,929
the norm out of their ordinary for them

2198
01:28:01,029 --> 01:27:58,579
and something that frankly you know

2199
01:28:02,559 --> 01:28:01,039
basically shatters what they held as

2200
01:28:04,659 --> 01:28:02,569
reality you have these these

2201
01:28:08,379 --> 01:28:04,669
life-changing experiences that you you

2202
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:08,389
can't explain it really changes your

2203
01:28:12,099 --> 01:28:10,489
your worldview the reality you thought

2204
01:28:14,589 --> 01:28:12,109
you lived in you know you thought you

2205
01:28:18,759 --> 01:28:14,599
had these answers and and you know this

2206
01:28:21,099 --> 01:28:18,769
this defined reality explained by belief

2207
01:28:24,609 --> 01:28:21,109
systems in many cases and then things

2208
01:28:26,169 --> 01:28:24,619
happen that are outside of that it a lot

2209
01:28:28,270 --> 01:28:26,179
of people can't handle it and it's it's

2210
01:28:30,459 --> 01:28:28,280
sort of especially in the UFO world you

2211
01:28:32,290 --> 01:28:30,469
know there it's not uncommon for people

2212
01:28:35,649 --> 01:28:32,300
to just completely abandon their faith

2213
01:28:38,349 --> 01:28:35,659
based on the experiences they've had but

2214
01:28:40,659 --> 01:28:38,359
you know then on the other side religion

2215
01:28:42,639 --> 01:28:40,669
is a very big topic in the UFO world and

2216
01:28:45,099 --> 01:28:42,649
there are plenty of people who have done

2217
01:28:48,819 --> 01:28:45,109
extensive Studies on religions and

2218
01:28:52,329 --> 01:28:48,829
religions around the world and you know

2219
01:28:54,429 --> 01:28:52,339
how people would react you know if they

2220
01:28:55,449 --> 01:28:54,439
were face to face with extraterrestrials

2221
01:28:58,479 --> 01:28:55,459
we were confirmed that they're

2222
01:29:00,579 --> 01:28:58,489
intelligent extraterrestrials you know

2223
01:29:02,529 --> 01:29:00,589
it's this is a topic that is touched on

2224
01:29:04,329 --> 01:29:02,539
a lot there's some great books out there

2225
01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:04,339
some great great studies that have been

2226
01:29:08,739 --> 01:29:06,800
done but by and large it's a it's a

2227
01:29:11,529 --> 01:29:08,749
normal thing in this field and it's

2228
01:29:14,109 --> 01:29:11,539
understandable because again when the

2229
01:29:17,319 --> 01:29:14,119
world you thought or the universe the

2230
01:29:19,949 --> 01:29:17,329
reality you thought you knew existed

2231
01:29:22,689 --> 01:29:19,959
all of a sudden doesn't exist anymore

2232
01:29:23,979 --> 01:29:22,699
you have to re-evaluate things and it

2233
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:23,989
affects people in different ways it's

2234
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:25,489
it's it's individual it's very

2235
01:29:30,010 --> 01:29:26,930
individualized

2236
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:30,020
yeah adding to Jason's point like you

2237
01:29:33,970 --> 01:29:31,760
mentioned this it's a huge question and

2238
01:29:36,190 --> 01:29:33,980
it's always it's one we commonly get is

2239
01:29:38,230 --> 01:29:36,200
what would happen to world's religions

2240
01:29:39,850 --> 01:29:38,240
if we discovered intelligent

2241
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:39,860
extraterrestrial life was out there but

2242
01:29:44,860 --> 01:29:42,890
even the the Vatican has their own space

2243
01:29:48,220 --> 01:29:44,870
observatory where they actively search

2244
01:29:52,090 --> 01:29:48,230
for extraterrestrial life so you know on

2245
01:29:54,820 --> 01:29:52,100
the one hand I feel like a mindset in a

2246
01:29:59,470 --> 01:29:54,830
religion like he said it's per person so

2247
01:30:01,450 --> 01:29:59,480
it's individualized but I could see I'm

2248
01:30:04,510 --> 01:30:01,460
not specific I was raised Catholic but

2249
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:04,520
I'm not really religious now but I could

2250
01:30:10,150 --> 01:30:08,320
see that that somehow other species and

2251
01:30:12,490 --> 01:30:10,160
extraterrestrial life could be

2252
01:30:15,190 --> 01:30:12,500
encapsulated into people's religious

2253
01:30:18,730 --> 01:30:15,200
beliefs it would just take time for them

2254
01:30:21,150 --> 01:30:18,740
to figure out you know the the the way

2255
01:30:23,260 --> 01:30:21,160
behind it a little bit so to speak hmm

2256
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:23,270
yeah I feel like this is a topic we

2257
01:30:28,210 --> 01:30:23,810
could go on

2258
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:28,220
well for hours so moving on you know I

2259
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:30,530
kind of I feel like we've got a little

2260
01:30:35,140 --> 01:30:32,690
serious here and let's go to the last

2261
01:30:40,300 --> 01:30:35,150
question we have from Twitter which is

2262
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:40,310
great is um I find this funny because I

2263
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:43,130
didn't really know exactly a lot about

2264
01:30:46,210 --> 01:30:44,210
these things but the question we don't

2265
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:46,220
know who it's from again it says do you

2266
01:30:50,140 --> 01:30:48,050
know of any experiments using

2267
01:30:58,620 --> 01:30:50,150
mind-expanding techniques like ayahuasca

2268
01:31:01,630 --> 01:30:58,630
or DMT on the ranch Thomas no and scene

2269
01:31:05,470 --> 01:31:01,640
that's great I know that they've been

2270
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:05,480
talked about but no yes I know I'm sure

2271
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:07,010
yeah I'm sure there's plenty of accounts

2272
01:31:10,180 --> 01:31:08,810
you can find out people online the

2273
01:31:12,820 --> 01:31:10,190
unknown person who sent that or your

2274
01:31:14,650 --> 01:31:12,830
question I'm sure if you googled those

2275
01:31:17,050 --> 01:31:14,660
phrases you know skinwalker ranch and

2276
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:17,060
ayahuasca DMT you'll find some you know

2277
01:31:20,530 --> 01:31:19,010
some people have their accounts of it

2278
01:31:22,860 --> 01:31:20,540
you'd a lot of people coming out there I

2279
01:31:25,870 --> 01:31:22,870
know Thomas since you got a lot of the

2280
01:31:27,460 --> 01:31:25,880
new all of the equipment went up since a

2281
01:31:30,460 --> 01:31:27,470
lot of the equipment went up you get a

2282
01:31:34,060 --> 01:31:30,470
lot of visitors coming around you know

2283
01:31:36,220 --> 01:31:34,070
like looky-loos yeah how's how's that

2284
01:31:38,440 --> 01:31:36,230
been is it still going on right now is

2285
01:31:40,299 --> 01:31:38,450
it has it increased since the show now

2286
01:31:43,839 --> 01:31:40,309
what's your mattering not

2287
01:31:45,459 --> 01:31:43,849
yeah dragons got his hands full well I

2288
01:31:48,729 --> 01:31:45,469
know you get your hands dirty - I've

2289
01:31:52,750 --> 01:31:48,739
seen you kind of well jump in you know

2290
01:31:54,580 --> 01:31:52,760
what that's the thing about I've seen

2291
01:31:58,120 --> 01:31:54,590
people criticize some of us for the

2292
01:32:00,609 --> 01:31:58,130
emotion or the drama and what they don't

2293
01:32:02,350 --> 01:32:00,619
realize is that the the History Channel

2294
01:32:03,879 --> 01:32:02,360
Prometheus was invited guests to come in

2295
01:32:08,799 --> 01:32:03,889
on investigation that was already taking

2296
01:32:12,279 --> 01:32:08,809
place and Brandon assembled you a joke

2297
01:32:15,220 --> 01:32:12,289
you know this this hodgepodge of

2298
01:32:20,500 --> 01:32:15,230
individuals different backgrounds but

2299
01:32:23,350 --> 01:32:20,510
all of us all of us are very good at

2300
01:32:26,049 --> 01:32:23,360
whatever it is that we specialize in and

2301
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:26,059
we complement each other well and we are

2302
01:32:31,149 --> 01:32:29,090
we're like a family and so yeah I I

2303
01:32:34,450 --> 01:32:31,159
pitch in and help on security on a

2304
01:32:37,359 --> 01:32:34,460
regular basis and and likewise I mean

2305
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:37,369
just this past week dragon came out and

2306
01:32:42,010 --> 01:32:40,489
helped me we were moving a few cameras

2307
01:32:44,260 --> 01:32:42,020
and different things around and

2308
01:32:45,990 --> 01:32:44,270
installing some new polls and stuff and

2309
01:32:48,310 --> 01:32:46,000
he spent the whole day with me

2310
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:48,320
installing cameras and running wire and

2311
01:32:52,299 --> 01:32:50,449
doing that kind of stuff so we all pitch

2312
01:32:55,450 --> 01:32:52,309
in and just help where it's needed and

2313
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:55,460
and we just we got we just all helped

2314
01:32:59,319 --> 01:32:57,770
each other nice you know that's the

2315
01:33:01,299 --> 01:32:59,329
glamour of television that no one knows

2316
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:01,309
like yeah they make it look so pretty on

2317
01:33:03,939 --> 01:33:02,449
TV but there's a lot of work that goes

2318
01:33:05,350 --> 01:33:03,949
into this and you guys are still busting

2319
01:33:07,450 --> 01:33:05,360
your ass out there I mean it is your job

2320
01:33:10,029 --> 01:33:07,460
I mean use it what you do so you know

2321
01:33:12,129 --> 01:33:10,039
the glamour of TV is when you're

2322
01:33:14,589 --> 01:33:12,139
standing in two feet of mud holding the

2323
01:33:16,330 --> 01:33:14,599
bounce card and a jungle somewhere like

2324
01:33:18,399 --> 01:33:16,340
wow I'm so happy I'm working in

2325
01:33:19,810 --> 01:33:18,409
television you know when you're when

2326
01:33:22,319 --> 01:33:19,820
you're knee-deep in cement pouring

2327
01:33:23,799 --> 01:33:22,329
cement putting up holes it's like yeah

2328
01:33:26,319 --> 01:33:23,809
awesome TV

2329
01:33:29,890 --> 01:33:26,329
well yeah I'm so happy that you're

2330
01:33:31,390 --> 01:33:29,900
having Aragon a next week because the

2331
01:33:34,359 --> 01:33:31,400
science has been ongoing since Brandon

2332
01:33:36,250 --> 01:33:34,369
bought it in one form or another and

2333
01:33:37,899 --> 01:33:36,260
just because the cameras pack up and go

2334
01:33:40,540 --> 01:33:37,909
home from the network doesn't mean the

2335
01:33:44,529 --> 01:33:40,550
science stops we continue and Eric will

2336
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:44,539
probably tell you it's it it was very

2337
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:47,449
challenging to try and coorporate having

2338
01:33:54,220 --> 01:33:51,920
people there it posed a whole new set of

2339
01:33:58,030 --> 01:33:54,230
challenges having a film crew on site

2340
01:34:00,640 --> 01:33:58,040
because you had to accommodate that as

2341
01:34:03,250 --> 01:34:00,650
well and so I'll say that we probably

2342
01:34:05,770 --> 01:34:03,260
get more done and are able to do better

2343
01:34:08,470 --> 01:34:05,780
science and more plants when the cameras

2344
01:34:10,420 --> 01:34:08,480
aren't there then they are but you know

2345
01:34:12,190 --> 01:34:10,430
I think it's very very important and

2346
01:34:14,260 --> 01:34:12,200
Brandon felt the same way we have I

2347
01:34:16,210 --> 01:34:14,270
remember having lots of discussions once

2348
01:34:19,210 --> 01:34:16,220
we just once we determined that there

2349
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:19,220
was something going on at the ranch then

2350
01:34:24,430 --> 01:34:21,410
the discussion turned and it was like

2351
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:24,440
you know Bigelow had his philosophy on

2352
01:34:29,530 --> 01:34:27,290
the data and that was to keep it there

2353
01:34:31,420 --> 01:34:29,540
very confidential we don't know what he

2354
01:34:33,330 --> 01:34:31,430
did or did not have but once we

2355
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:33,340
established that we are seeing something

2356
01:34:38,620 --> 01:34:36,530
you cared the ranch then it then it

2357
01:34:40,870 --> 01:34:38,630
becomes what do we do with it do we hang

2358
01:34:42,700 --> 01:34:40,880
on to it to ourselves do we do we keep

2359
01:34:46,260 --> 01:34:42,710
it quiet do we release it to the public

2360
01:34:49,420 --> 01:34:46,270
and I love Brandon because he's so

2361
01:34:50,740 --> 01:34:49,430
collaborative and he just he feels like

2362
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:50,750
the more set of eyes you put on a

2363
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:52,250
problem the quicker you're gonna find an

2364
01:34:57,610 --> 01:34:54,530
answer and he's very transparent and

2365
01:35:00,100 --> 01:34:57,620
open and so then it you know it's like

2366
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:00,110
well alright so we want to share this

2367
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:02,330
and see what we're seeing and if you

2368
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:04,970
told me the discussion of a TV show

2369
01:35:10,180 --> 01:35:07,970
never even came up when at the beginning

2370
01:35:14,740 --> 01:35:10,190
like if you told me two years years ago

2371
01:35:16,390 --> 01:35:14,750
I remember one you have first yeah and I

2372
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:16,400
mean you were really the star at the TJ

2373
01:35:20,410 --> 01:35:18,410
cuz I remember you you reached out to me

2374
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:20,420
on messenger and then and then it

2375
01:35:25,150 --> 01:35:23,450
evolved in the call and you did and I

2376
01:35:30,100 --> 01:35:25,160
remember kind of rolling my eyes so yeah

2377
01:35:32,590 --> 01:35:30,110
that's absolutely stupid yes no hey

2378
01:35:36,820 --> 01:35:32,600
we're gonna do a TV show on this and so

2379
01:35:39,460 --> 01:35:36,830
that was never our ambition or so

2380
01:35:41,260 --> 01:35:39,470
anyways it's been it's been a journey no

2381
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:41,270
I mean that this is a great way to kind

2382
01:35:44,979 --> 01:35:43,850
of cap it off and you know teasing into

2383
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:44,989
air I mean Eric Smith coming out next

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week and we're gonna have a lot more

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questions for him Thomas you know thanks

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man for spending time with us you know

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sharing your stories is awesome I mean I

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know people gonna have some more

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questions for you I'm sure so we got to

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have you back later date again Thanks

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no I enjoy it I the editors have quite a

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job cut out for them trying to peace you

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know keep

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keep it scientifically sound without

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making it so boring that we all fall

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asleep at night watching it and so

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there's some times when I see things

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going and I'm like oh my gosh I'd love

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to be able to expound on that because

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there's so much more to the story

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absolutely we'll get to it we'll get to

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it this is this goes on for a while

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thank you you guys saw it you know and

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next week we just say next week even

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though it shows that on we'll have Eric

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bard on and we'll take as many questions

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as we can get it in keep them as long as

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we can you know we'll work them really

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hard

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and we'll make about two parts two

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episodes out of it so that we'll be able

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to bridge that gap of the week off and

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then we'll come back with episode 5

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which is Thomas's favorite episode which

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I love it sounds right the data nice

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yeah I don't know about the episode like

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being the most entertaining although I

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think is I don't know I'm just saying

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like the data okay so there for the

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record yes

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so episode 5 season 1 episode 5

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dangerous curves and it is on May 5

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Cinco de Mayo so that's awesome

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and it's a day after Maureen's birthday

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May 4th right yep may the 4th be with

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you is that what it is yes Star Wars day

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nice Star Wars day that'll be awesome so

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but again thanks Thomas and so please if

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people if you want to reach us send us

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questions and stuff Jason always has an

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off top that's head I know he's Jason

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where's the best place to reach us yeah

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for sure email

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we always love getting email so it's

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it's contact at rogue planet TV that is

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our email address send us questions

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based on the previous episode or

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anything strange that's where you could

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reach us about anything but definitely

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send your questions there and twitter

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01:38:01,750 --> 01:37:59,480
twitter is a great way to send us

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questions we're at skinwalker pod on

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twitter excellent

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well again thanks Thomas and I guess we

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will wrap it up there please uh join us

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next week in the following week and

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don't forget the secret skinwalker ranch

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airs on history ten o'clock on Tuesdays

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starting again mate

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thank you all for spending time with us